Dark of the Moon Game Canonicity

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

So currently, the Dark of the Moon game from 2011 is considered to be non-canon like all the other tie in games. Thing is, Dark of the Moon doesn't actually contradict any of the events within the movie like most of those other games. Most of the events in the movie were actually set up in the game, like Shockwave and the Driller, Bumblebee's Stealth Force mode, and Megatron gaining a truck alt-mode. The entire game was specifically designed to act as a set up for the movie since they were both announced around the same time and were made around that fact. It's also pretty useful in terms of scaling as it gives us more fights to scale the characters to and also helps soldify some bits of scaling we already have, like how Mirage/Dino survives attacks from Starscream, although he was badly wounded. This is akin to Ironhide and Ratchet's feats which supports him being able to kill the same Dreads that could harm Ironhide in the movie.

So basically I'm saying that the game should be considered canon because nothing is contradicted story/scaling-wise, it was intended to be canon, and scaling's just easier that way.

Agree: XSOULOFCINDERX, Fastestthingalive50, Confluctor, Teezar, KieranH10, Crabwhale
Neutral:
Disagree:

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Well, one thing that would happen is Shockwave being above Optimus since Optimus said he couldn’t do anything to him.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Well, one thing that would happen is Shockwave being above Optimus since Optimus said he couldn’t do anything to him.

Scan? Also that would be a bit contradictory as we all know what happened when Shockwave tried to fight Optimus

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

He pretty much says he can't break through his armor but the power cores on his back allowed Optimus to harm him. Honestly seems like more of a game mechanic to me but if we were to go with this, it would just make Shockwave's durability "At least 8-B+, likely higher" or something like that

 

[LordTracer]

it would just make Shockwave's durability "At least 8-B+, likely higher

Which is contradicted by the movie, where a single punch from Optimus obliterated a portion of Shockwave’s chest.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Which is contradicted by the movie, where a single punch from Optimus obliterated a portion of Shockwave’s chest.

Which is why I believe this is more of a game mechanic to make the fight more challenging.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Which is contradicted by the movie, where a single punch from Optimus obliterated a portion of Shockwave’s chest.

That wasn't a normal punch, he literally had to transform his fist into some Spiked Knuckles to do that.

Also, I agree with the OP.

 

[LordTracer]

That wasn't a normal punch, he literally had to transform his fist into some Spiked Knuckles to do that.

Also, I agree with the OP.

Honestly, that doesn’t really matter, cause he still broke through Shockwave’s armor (and he also, y’know, killed him), which the game says he can’t do.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Honestly, that doesn’t really matter, cause he still broke through Shockwave’s armor (and he also, y’know, killed him), which the game says he can’t do.

Aside from that one thing, the Game doesn't really contradict the movie to my Knowledge.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

I mean, Shockwave was pretty weakened prior to the fight. He was literally falling over when Prime caught up with him and killed him.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I mean, Shockwave was pretty weakened prior to the fight. He was literally falling over when Prime caught up with him and killed him.

He was on his Hand and Knees shooting vaguely towards Optimus while his Eye dangled out of his Head.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

I agree with the op btw.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[Confluctor]

Agree with OP.

 

[Teezar]

I agree

 

[KieranH10]

If there's no contradictions this seems fine to me!

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

So that's at least one Staff Member agreeing.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

 

[Teezar]

So that's at least one Staff Member agreeing.

I'm also a staff without post yet

 

[Dinobot1996]

I haven't played the game recently enough to remember it clearly, though I did check the TFWiki to see if I could find any contradictions in the plot, and I did find this noted in the game's article:

• Several of the game's plot points make very little sense when taken together with the Decepticons' actual plan in the film. For instance, Megatron leaves Optimus to be killed by the awakening Shockwave, despite requiring him and his Matrix to reactivate Sentinel Prime, and in the game's epilogue Shockwave is instructed to retrieve an object from Chernobyl, despite Megatron actually intending for it to fall into the Autobots' hands. Additionally, the game depicts said object as a space bridge pillar, whilst in the film it is an engine component from the Ark.

I'm not sure if any of that stuff would be considered too much of a contradiction or not, but I figured it was worth bringing up.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

The first part of that seems valid. Megatron did need optimus alive but I feel like the others could be explained. The second part was also in the movie when the driller stole the engine part even though they needed it with the autobots. The third part could also be a communications error but it could also be a valid contradiction.

 

[Hellbeast]

Chews Popcorn

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

It'll only start to get spicy is when someone attempts to scale the canon to the IDW movie tie in comics or the bumblebee movie, and in that I'd be ready to launch some hands

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Anyways, the Canonicity of the game itself.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I haven't played the game recently enough to remember it clearly, though I did check the TFWiki to see if I could find any contradictions in the plot, and I did find this noted in the game's article:

• Several of the game's plot points make very little sense when taken together with the Decepticons' actual plan in the film. For instance, Megatron leaves Optimus to be killed by the awakening Shockwave, despite requiring him and his Matrix to reactivate Sentinel Prime, and in the game's epilogue Shockwave is instructed to retrieve an object from Chernobyl, despite Megatron actually intending for it to fall into the Autobots' hands. Additionally, the game depicts said object as a space bridge pillar, whilst in the film it is an engine component from the Ark.

I'm not sure if any of that stuff would be considered too much of a contradiction or not, but I figured it was worth bringing up.

Tbf, if they killed Optimus they could've just taken the Matrix from him, it's not like it hasn't been yoinked from him before. Then they wouldn't have even needed the Autobots to get Sentinel, they could've done it themselves.

 

[Crabwhale]

Although I'm not knowledgeable on the game itself, this seems fine at a cursory glance.

What would this mean for the profiles?

 

[Crabwhale]

I'm also a staff without post yet

Banned, executed and thrown to Horny Jail for impersonation.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Although I'm not knowledgeable on the game itself, this seems fine at a cursory glance.

What would this mean for the profiles?

It mainly gives Mirage extra scaling that lines up with how he helped Bumblebee kill one of the Ironhide level Dreads despite Bumblebee being 8-C+, has Mixmaster scale to Ironhide in AP and above him normally in Durability since Ironhide needed a Special Rocket Launcher to bust through his Armor which then gives Jetfire and Scorponok actual scaling since Jetfire killed a Mixmaster Unit in RotF and Scorponok mortally wounded Jetfife. Mixmaster being in this game doesn't contradict either of his deaths in RotF either because the Constructicons show up again in DotM despite having died in RotF.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

And I guess it finally gives me an excuse to give breakaway a profile

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

And I guess it finally gives me an excuse to give breakaway a profile

Breakaway, Silverbolt and Air Raid all get killed by Starscream while defending Stratosphere who's probably the biggest Autobot, and possibly Transformer period, we've seen in the Bayverse.

 

[LordTracer]

he helped Bumblebee kill one of the Ironhide level Dreads despite Bumblebee being 8-C+

Ehhhhhh technically Mirage didn’t really do anything aside from sticking Hatchet with his whip things

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Ehhhhhh technically Mirage didn’t really do anything aside from sticking Hatchet with his whip things

You get what I mean, he still damaged him.