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CT are 2-A large size so no
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Dante vs Hoopa
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are Hoopa's summons already mind controlled when he summons them or does he have to summon THEN mind control?
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Sir, while i don't know if you referring to AP or invulnerability. I will answer for both abilities.
Concepts ignores durability unless stated, since CT doens't resist, Dante one shots or stops them for a while.
Dante's invulnerability blocks damage, dante can also Royal guard, i don't see a reason why AP here is irrelevant since dante has many ways to avoid damage and even use said damage to amp himself or release the damage with Royal guard on Hoopa.
Concepts ignores durability unless stated, since CT doens't resist, Dante one shots or stops them for a while.
Dante's invulnerability blocks damage, dante can also Royal guard, i don't see a reason why AP here is irrelevant since dante has many ways to avoid damage and even use said damage to amp himself or release the damage with Royal guard on Hoopa.
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their concepts are 2-A in size Dante can only reach a infinitely small piece of them when 2-A pieces of them are auto regened by other CT members
Already mindhaxed
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Link please?
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Wasn't it said in the top 5 strongest thread that speed unequalized is Unacceptable?
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It can be accepted,but will not be higher than Dante in that list if Dante beats it in equalized speed
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Which Hoopas is since it accesses 4-D realms and isn’t limited to anything barring Arceus
This isn’t teleportation based BFR. It’s portal based. Which even 2-As can’t escape from.
Except, opening his rings is something Hoopa does literally every day of its life?
Danger sense doesn’t give the specifics of exactly what would happen to you. And given the fact that Hoopas rings can open up from any given point it wants, and can catch infinite speed beings, that makes it incredibility difficult to dodge
You’d need proof that Dante would be able to pre perceive infinite speed opponents.
This is also wrong. Hoopas summoning isn’t limited in the sense that your thinking of. In terms of the numbers of legendaries, Hoopa isn’t limited whatsoever. Nor does it kill him.
The effect that happens is that the legendaries summoned causes time and space to be disrupted. There’s no drawback to Hoopas summoning abilities in this manner.
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Reread your comment. It’s late, so sorry for needing to rephrase my comment.
Unless I’m just misremembering the movie due to being tired, the movie made it pretty clear the distortion was going to kill everyone. That’s the whole reason Arceus came to stop it in the first place.
Though I’ll rewatch the scene in the morning. Also I’m going to link the review of the movie I watch because it has all the relevant scenes to this thread so if people from both sides want a reference for refresher on Hoopa they can just watch the relevant parts of the videos.
Unless I’m just misremembering the movie due to being tired, the movie made it pretty clear the distortion was going to kill everyone. That’s the whole reason Arceus came to stop it in the first place.
Though I’ll rewatch the scene in the morning. Also I’m going to link the review of the movie I watch because it has all the relevant scenes to this thread so if people from both sides want a reference for refresher on Hoopa they can just watch the relevant parts of the videos.
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Again, no, it doesn’t kill Hoopa. It was going to in that specific instance because Hoopa was actively inside the distortion around the tower helping people escape while it’s rings (which warps space on an obviously lesser potent scale) were shrinking.
Hoopas obviously not going to die if it’s not directly inside the distortion (you know, like Ash and dozens of others were)
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speed equalized.
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Y'all better stop it. From when Hoopa can summon the True Forms of CT lmao
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I mean, they are arguing to Dante, so, obviously they have knowledge in DMC, and most likely are Dante fans, I don't know how the argument of ''THEY ARE DANTE FANS'' is relevant
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He complained that most of Dante voters are DMC fans while no one complained when he is a pokemon fan who votes for Hoopa
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Lmao, thats hilarious
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CT also has CM1 and even better one at that as well as 2-A range and capability of using it without having to shoot or do much of anything really
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I'll leave the rest of the argument to the pros tbh. I do think that Dante would get screwed by CT but he could probably pull something on Hoopa itself that would give him the win
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sorry just saw this, this means jack all, type 4 acasuality doesn't stop danger sense or instinctive reactions, and it doesn't stop analytical prediction either, same as how it doesn't stop probability manip, anyone who tells you that it works on that is a)lying to you, or b)doesn't actually know how it works, if they have instances of resisting it then just put it under resistances because acausality type 4 doesn't help you with that stuff
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I think they meant his precog.
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you mean the limited precog that is only on one of his weapons
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1: Its referred to as Minor Precognition
2: yes
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dante can easily dodge due to TP and instinctive reactions so it doesnt even matter
1- wasnt talking about the danger sense & instinctive reaction, i was talking about alastor which can see upcoming threats
2- this is irrelavant since its speed equalised
also grace has ended btw
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Headcanon. If Hoopa doesnt actively enter the distortion, it doesnt harm him. There's no evidence otherwise that its rings summoning ability has a drawback for him.
See above. Again, this supposed "weakness" is headcanon.
The speed of opponents, as in their reaction, travel, and attack speeds, are equalized. Not the speed of hax abilities.
Prove his TP and reactions can react to infinite speed hax.
Again, see above. Speed equalization doesnt apply to how fast a hax ability opperate's, only the speed of the opponents themselves. So how fast Hoopas rings can open and catch things wouldn't fall under this.
New arguments that weren't brought up before have been addressed, so no it doesnt. And even then, im pretty much voting Hoopa rn.
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And also, wait, Dante himself doesnt even have the precognition? It's used via one of his weapons?
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it does, otherwise all speed equalised matches will end up in a stomp by that logic since all their abilities would be stuck at their former speeed, speed equalisation amplifys all of dantes abilities,
this all doesnt matter, grace has ended and you still havent addressed any of dantes other win cons, like going intangible or time stop
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speed equal actually doesnt affect attacks that are still faster than you, so a human will still have a gun they use shoot bullets faster than them, just relative to the speed that they are equalized at, so an infinite speed attack will still move infinitely faster, and a sol attack will still attack at "relatively" sol speeds, so yes, MFTL+ light can be a thing under speed equal
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Yea but it doesn't need to get activated or anything like that. Alastor has it's own personality it's alive
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taken straight from the VS thread rules
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there was an entire crt made by a mod, that got accepted by other mods to change it so that attack speed stays relative
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Got a link?
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Yeah no, I've never seen a speed equalization match that literally equalizes every single speed of everything outside of the characters themselves.
Pokemon have Non Physical Interaction, so intangibility is irrelevant. Dont need to address that. And im very certain people here before me already argued Dante isn't leading with TS.
And also this^
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I have been away a long time from here. Which ability are you talking about?
All of those haxxes are not even needed. That intangibility is just to give him margin of error to survive longer.
Also people with AE1 interaction and CM1 aren't able to hit him for 3 attacks. More than enough opportunity to go tag Hoopa.
More important wincons for Dante were him being loads more skilled and tactical combatant via having sensory capabilities and analytical prediction and in general combat aptitude, that along with DT speed amp 2X and Doppelganger will give him plenty of opportunity to tag Hoopa.
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