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Dagoth Ur VS Altair

ok, then there's no way for her to win, basically, unless Dagoth decides to sit back and give her all the god damn time in the world.

she's 3D character trying to affect 4D or 4D+ character....lul
 
yea, her abilities, while potent, were still reliant on humanity itself from the start, as they were technically the ones who created her and whom her existence is kinda leashed on.
 
Didn't see she was an abstract. Even tho the Corpus is more like a blessing rather than a conventional disease I don't think it should affect her.
 
i pretty sure this is a spite threads

and i pretty sure if you put him agian malcanthet he would stomp her to

and she already stomp atltair
 
This isn't as spite-y as it may seem I don't think. He isn't a conceptual above Altair's scope of abilities and I'm pretty sure Altair's 66th would put him down by becoming his entire being. It's only a possibility, and she would first need to get to his true location.

That's doable for her, since she was able to quickly analyze her universe and realize its truth, and she has a way that probably puts him down.

He, on the other hand, has the ability to use Tonal Magic, which will alter who she fundamentally is as well as a lot of other crap.

This comes down a lot to what their first moves are imo. If Dagoth just tries to destroy her, she will come back and take him seriously, and potentially win with 66th. If Dagoth decides to go really hard and just go straight for some fundamental alteration, he should win. I don't think this is a stomp, and I don't even think it's incredibly decisive. I think it's inconclusive.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Not sure Altair can mantle Dagoth Ur.
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Imo whether this is a stomp or not rests on this. If she can force herself to become Dagoth, I think she has a decent shot of winning, if not just going even. If she can't, nothing she can do to him will stick and she has no way of winning.
 
I don't think Altair can really override Dagoth Ur's being with her own. The Dagoth Ur we see and interact with in the game is merely a projection, a Dream of a Dead God, whose Soul is forever trapped outside of Life and Death, into the Dreamsleeve, which I am pretty sure Altair ain't reaching unless she pulls 1-A range shenanigans.
 
Everything is in the Dreamsleeve by default in TES to my knowledge. She would just have to deduce what is going on and she could locate him. Considering how quickly she understands new, spectacular powers and came to comprehend her own universal cosmology, that isn't out of the question.

She already transcended creation and rewrote the laws of the universe once. Speaking of Law Manip, would that do anything to Dagoth?
 
Yeah, but this is because of the Dreamsleeve's nature as an all-pervading realm which exists coterminously to all Existence whilst also containing its entirety, Dagoth Ur's Soul is trapped into the "realm" itself, where his Dreams and delusions actually affect the physical world and create a projection of him.

I assume it can? How good is it exactly.
 
Assaltwaffle said:
Everything is in the Dreamsleeve by default in TES to my knowledge. She would just have to deduce what is going on and she could locate him. Considering how quickly she understands new, spectacular powers and came to comprehend her own universal cosmology, that isn't out of the question.

She already transcended creation and rewrote the laws of the universe once. Speaking of Law Manip, would that do anything to Dagoth?
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She's still 3D, and by dimensional tiering, like I said, 3D can't affect 4D or higher without something like higher dimensional manipulation, which Altair doesn't seem to have. So Law manipulation doesn't really do shit to Ur.
 
She effects the Laws of the universe itself and create an entirely different set of universal laws for a new space-time continuum. Just because she herself isn't 4-D doesn't mean her hax isn't.
 
I don't know if he laws can touch Dagoth, but since this takes place in a neutral location, probably, since he has no resistance to law manipulation on his profile.
 
Even if I can, what makes you think she can get it off without getting absolutely ****** over by Ur's own haxes? If you're saying that Altair would look innocent toward him, keep in mind that Ur is quite an psychologically insane individual, so it'd be wrong to think he'll not retaliate. Also, cause he's 4D, Altair is not gonna be able to just block his stuff normally.
 
I'm not saying Dagoth would go easy, but he might try to destroy her. Destroying her isn't enough, since she will come back. Dagoth would need to fundamentally alter her concept, which I'm not sure if he can do easily and especially not lead with it.
 
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