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CW Flash Revision

FinePoint said:
Does calcing Supergirl's flight around the Earth not yield higher results?
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It definitely will but that's her absolute peak this is for if we're doing her speed similarly to Barry's and merging these kinds of things.

I mean it could be MHS+ to SoL at her peak or whatever that result will yield
 
Also I'm doing this from mobile and that Supergirl feat will require frame by frame timing to calculate and I don't have anything like that available
 
Supergirl is more powerful than Superman in the Arrowverse at a point though, no? So they shouldn't necessarily scale unless proven so
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Supergirl is more powerful than Superman in the Arrowverse at a point though, no? So they shouldn't necessarily scale unless proven so
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Idk what's going with Supergirl currently but if she's stronger I'd assume she'd still scale to this feat then
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Supergirl is more powerful than Superman in the Arrowverse at a point though, no? So they shouldn't necessarily scale unless proven so
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They're still comparable, able to trade blows and do similar things.
I'm not completely sure what the downscaling standards are though.
 
Honestly, I forgot how insanely uninteresting Savitar is. He does appear in episode 2 and 5, but other than that he kind of just shows up, kicks Barry's ass and he's the bad guy now. Then he does practically nothing for episodes at a time.

Episode 16: Jesse can withstand her own lightning.

Episode 21: Barry and Savitar cause a massive lightning explosion that flash fries nearby trees. Their lightning here is equal, and Savitar doesn't have the Philosopher's Stone. Supposedly, leaves tend to ignite immediately at 800 C.

I think what we should do here is give Barry an XX to XX rating in Season 3. Like (Superior to his early Season 2 levels of speed. Defeated Rival on numerous occasions) to (Regained his former levels of speed by the Dominator Invasion, and grew stronger throughout the season, allowing him to surpass Savitar)
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Supergirl is more powerful than Superman in the Arrowverse at a point though, no? So they shouldn't necessarily scale unless proven so
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Supergirl isn't that much stronger than him.
 
Here's everything that seems to warrant a calculation, imo.

- Turning the sand guy into glass isn't that impressive, but it's a good supporting feat.

- Atom Smasher barrels through concrete. I'd say Zoom is inferior, but not vastly because, like I mentioned, he one-shot Barry's spine.

- Barry's whirlpool feat from episode 15. A whirlpool of similar size from Jojo got High 8-C+ results (with RKE no less), and it forms just as Barry begins running, so it definitely scales to his lightning.

- Oil Tanker feat in Magenta.

- Vibrating a train.

- Even assuming both characters created a hemisphere 10-metres wide that raised the temperature of 1 kg of wood to 800 C, I got some pretty high Tier 8 results. So the combined lightning feat from episode 21 seems worth it.

F3 Tornadoes are Large Building level+. Rival did kind of run for a bit, so I could see Large Building level Flash.
 
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I think for the speed, we should probably avoid -second feats and amplifiers for the most part.

Given that the writers barely know what a terajoule or GeV is, and claim Mach 50 isn't a real thing, I strongly doubt they truly know what a picosecond is. A huge part of Season 3's plot is that Barry can't even cross a street in 0.21 seconds.

We should just aim for feats that aren't given timeframes and fill in the gaps.
Dalesean027 said:
Wait should I doing this at 60fps as well
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It's more accurate this way.

In order to see the frame number, just click on the timer.
 
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Well the portal feat was a one-off instance that doesn't scale to anything else so I'm fine with a "possibly" or something like that.

The earlier trial where he barely failed is an issue though.
 
It's the same feat, essentially, Barry is just faster in one.
 
If we do go with some sort of varies rating that includes both Flash's speed per statements and per speed as Qawsedf said that would kinda qualify as a statement. I suppose this is one of the rare instances where the show's statement is ridiculously higher than depicted feats.

Maybe just a "far higher with amp" would be better. The Low 7-B lightning thing should probably be removed too because the whole things a "**** math"

Flash got FTL for the Earth circling feat with Supergirl fyi
 
Flash and Supergirl seem to go slowly at first and then accelerate. So I wouldn't use their initial speed.
 
Has anyone here watched all of Season 6 or 7, let alone the portion of Season 8 that's been syndicated?

If so, what feats are there that we haven't discussed? I heard Godspeed channelled the power of a thunderstorm (although that's a prerequisite, being a Power Rangers and all).
 
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Hmm, I was planning to revise Flash’s speed somewhere down the line. But yeah as with everything Arrowverse it’s not high on my priority list. It’s also funny that Spino is using the “there are no outliers in the CW because you need consistence for that” argument, but I’m glad he took initiative.

Anyways I have stuff for like MFTL season 2 Flash, but it’s based on a statement so KEK. FTL based on tachyon-amped people (such as season 2 amped Barry) should be fine though.

Also I didn’t see the most recent stuff but isn’t there a scene where he stops holding back against Reverse Flash? If so one might argue a varies tier is appropriate here.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Maybe just a "far higher with amp" would be better. The Low 7-B lightning thing should probably be removed too because the whole things a "**** math"
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He did intend to stop a nuke with that lightning so…

AP-wise you can pretty much backscale everybody from season 4 to season 2 via Reverb and Atom. Season 2 Reverb = Season 3 Vibe and Atom has just always been Low 7-B since the beginning of LoT, including when he fought season 3 Barry.
 
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ByAsura said:
Atom is Low 7-B via scaling to Firestorm and Chronos, the latter of whom scales to Atom.
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Last time when I edited the pages Atom is Low 7-B for scaling to Firestorm who took the nuke (I have my gripes with this though since he absorbed it and he should at best downscale from the nuke if you look at that feat in a vacuum), being relative to Steel (pretty sure you can argue that by scaling of of some villains) who has a High 7-C feat and most importantly temporarily incapacitating Crisis on Earth-X Reverse Flash with a blast who scales to season 4 Barry.
 
We're removing the Firestorm feat from normal scaling.
 
Because it obviously doesn't scale to Firestorm's normal AP or Durability. One is via absorption, the other is via a meltdown.

His Earth-2 counterpart took ages to kill Joe with a normal blast.

At best, you might get High 7-C via Steel scaling, but I haven't seen enough of LoT to know how strong Steel is compared to everyone.
 
Actually, I have a few questions about this calculation.

Firstly, were we ever shown how much dwarf star alloy was in this train?

Secondly, it's an alloy. Would it really be as dense as a white dwarf? The highly inconsistent weight (I even saw people semi-lifting it in that youtuber's video) makes me think that, even if it was canonically established, it's sus regardless.

Third, what form were they in? Was the dwarf star alloy carried in ingots, chunks, etc? That'd lower the result a bit. Stacks of coins and coal, if I'm remembering this right, after 55% air on average.

Fourth, we're talking about a train that's heavier than kilometres-wide asteroids. I'm pretty sure this is just bad math on the CW's part unless this train is highly enhanced. Was there some sort of enhancement to survive this amount of material, or even be able to accelerate at full speed with it?

Lastly, let's add on to that part. Even if it carried iron, a train would be slowed down a lot. Was the speed given in this episode?
 
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