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CW Flash Revision
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I would replace Expert Manipulator with simply Social Influencing considering he's not exactly an expert
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If he were an expert the good ole stop and talk instead of stopping the villain would be a instant win each episode
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Heard about it but I haven't been watching the flash
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Some kind of evil version of Firestorm born from the guy's death, something like that
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What's left to do
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Which ones still need to be done?
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I'll focus on the less impressive (unbolded) ones, but I have no promises that I'll finish them.
Could you also evaluate this?
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Barry was able to dodge Farooq's electricity from some distance away in Season 1 before his amp, might yield something better than what we currently had.
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He seems to be only able to dodge form distance and got hit in closed range at the start of the episode but he was way faster than the lightning when he saved Wells.
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Definitely by the end. Not contesting that.
Speaking of Power Outage.
Farooq reduced a guy to blackened sinew by cooking him with 2400 degrees (I assume that's Fahrenheit) at his weakest known level, massively drained an entire power grid, and drained Star City, yet he couldn't get enough of pre-amp Barry's energies specifically and died trying to absorb his enhanced levels.
Not sure about Pre-Amp Barry scaling (I think it's close to his absolute maximum), but Post-Amp seemingly didn't even get his speed reduced by a longer siphon.
Speaking of Power Outage.
Farooq reduced a guy to blackened sinew by cooking him with 2400 degrees (I assume that's Fahrenheit) at his weakest known level, massively drained an entire power grid, and drained Star City, yet he couldn't get enough of pre-amp Barry's energies specifically and died trying to absorb his enhanced levels.
Not sure about Pre-Amp Barry scaling (I think it's close to his absolute maximum), but Post-Amp seemingly didn't even get his speed reduced by a longer siphon.
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a few calculations I found for flash
(these calculations are not my own, they are calculations that I found on the Internet, so I'm not 100% sure of their accuracy)
Barry and Kara working together arrest the Earth’s rotational energy, slowing it down. The Earth’s rotational energy is 50 exatons, so Barry and Kara were both 25 exatons. In season 8, Barry gets another feat.As stated in this video, if Barry doesn’t run at Mach 20 in 2 minutes it will destroy the world.
As we see in this video, Barry running caused global earthquakes, storms, and tsunamis, and if Thawne couldn’t catch Barry in 90 seconds the world would be destroyed. Based on these, Barry should be at least high 6-A, possibly/likely 5-C to low 5-B.
For Barry’s season 7 speed, we need to find Thawne’s speed.
Thawne made a speed mirage against Nora and Barry. This means he would have had to run between them before their brains could process what they were seeing.
A minute for Barry is 3 picoseconds for us. That makes one second for Barry 0.00000000000005 seconds for us.
One city block is 80 meters. That gives us 160 meters total, to account for back and forth travel distance. The human eye can see 60 fps as a low end to 1,500 fps as a high end, with 250 fps being a mid end.
Low end: 60 fps. 0.00000000000005/60=0.000000000000000833 seconds. 160/0.000000000000000833=192,076,830,732,292,917.16 m/s, or 640,699,342.51 times the speed of light.
Mid end: 250 fps. 0.00000000000005/250=0.0000000000000002 seconds. 160/0.0000000000000002=800,000,000,000,000,000 m/s, or 2,668,512,761.58 times the speed of light.
High end: 1,500 fps. 0.00000000000005/1,500=0.0000000000000000333 seconds. 160/0.0000000000000000333=4,804,804,804,804,804,80m/s, or 16,027,103,673.18 times the speed of light.
However, he covered two city blocks:
That raises the speed to 1,281,398,685.02x c for a low end, 5,337,025,523.16x c for a mid end, and 32,054,207,346.36x c for a high end.
Thawne seemed to be nearly frozen to Barry, so I’ll say he was moving at one centimeter per second.
Thawne’s speed is 32,054,207,346.36x c, or 9,609,609,609,606,921,752.88 meters per second. One centimeter is 0.01 meters. Time=distance/speed. 0.01/9,609,609,609,606,921,752.88=1.0406250000002910681102439095382e-21 seconds. Assuming jogging speed of 2.5 m/s. 2.5/1.0406250000002910681102439095382e-21=2,402,402,402,401,730,438,220 m/s, or 8,013,551,836,590 times the speed of light!
Thawne also says that he didn’t know what happened. He couldn’t perceive Barry. According to MIT, humans can perceive up to 13 milliseconds, or 0.013 seconds:
Thawne is 9,609,609,609,606,921,752.88 meters per second. A human is 6.7 meters per second. That makes Thawne 1,434,270,090,986,107,724.31 times faster than a human. Dividing 0.013 by 1,434,270,090,986,107,724.31 means that the shortest time Thawne can perceive and react to is 9.0638437500025352032430540707987e-21 seconds. This was 12 seconds to Barry. 9.0638437500025352032430540707987e-21/12=7.5532031250021126693692117256656e-22 seconds. Using jogging speed again. 2.5/7.5532031250021126693692117256656e-22=3,309,854,056,121,787,056,100 meters per second, or 11,040,484,734,681.97 times the speed of light!
Other supporting feats include almost reaching a breach:
its speed here is calculated as 2.126 times that of light
escaping a black hole.
There’s also this feat, which would be 83.5% c. We have Godspeed and Nora moving relative to microwaves, which move at light speed.
Godspeed outran a trillion FPS camera. Shipping containers are 6.058 meters long. Multiplying that by two gets us 12.116 meters. He was visible for two frames of a trillion fps camera, or two picoseconds, or 0.000000000002 seconds. Speed=distance/time. 12.116/0.000000000002=6,058,000,000,000 meters per second, or 20,207.312 times the speed of light.
Actual speed of electricity is Mach 8,740.3. Mach 8,740.3 is 2,997,924.58 m/s. Assuming that the electricity moved 0.0001116 meters (shortest distance perceptible to humans at reading distance), the scene would have lasted for 37.22 picoseconds. That makes one second 8.3 picoseconds. Distance is 16.165 meters. Speed-distance/time. 16.165/0.0000000000083=1,947,590,361,445.78 m/s, or 6,496.46 times the speed of light.
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a few calculations I found for flash
(these calculations are not my own, they are calculations that I found on the Internet, so I'm not 100% sure of their accuracy)
Barry and Kara working together arrest the Earth’s rotational energy, slowing it down. The Earth’s rotational energy is 50 exatons, so Barry and Kara were both 25 exatons. In season 8, Barry gets another feat.
As stated in this video, if Barry doesn’t run at Mach 20 in 2 minutes it will destroy the world.
As we see in this video, Barry running caused global earthquakes, storms, and tsunamis, and if Thawne couldn’t catch Barry in 90 seconds the world would be destroyed. Based on these, Barry should be at least high 6-A, possibly/likely 5-C to low 5-B.
For Barry’s season 7 speed, we need to find Thawne’s speed.
Thawne made a speed mirage against Nora and Barry. This means he would have had to run between them before their brains could process what they were seeing.
A minute for Barry is 3 picoseconds for us. That makes one second for Barry 0.00000000000005 seconds for us.
One city block is 80 meters. That gives us 160 meters total, to account for back and forth travel distance. The human eye can see 60 fps as a low end to 1,500 fps as a high end, with 250 fps being a mid end.
Low end: 60 fps. 0.00000000000005/60=0.000000000000000833 seconds. 160/0.000000000000000833=192,076,830,732,292,917.16 m/s, or 640,699,342.51 times the speed of light.
Mid end: 250 fps. 0.00000000000005/250=0.0000000000000002 seconds. 160/0.0000000000000002=800,000,000,000,000,000 m/s, or 2,668,512,761.58 times the speed of light.
High end: 1,500 fps. 0.00000000000005/1,500=0.0000000000000000333 seconds. 160/0.0000000000000000333=4,804,804,804,804,804,80m/s, or 16,027,103,673.18 times the speed of light.
However, he covered two city blocks:
That raises the speed to 1,281,398,685.02x c for a low end, 5,337,025,523.16x c for a mid end, and 32,054,207,346.36x c for a high end.
Thawne seemed to be nearly frozen to Barry, so I’ll say he was moving at one centimeter per second.
Thawne’s speed is 32,054,207,346.36x c, or 9,609,609,609,606,921,752.88 meters per second. One centimeter is 0.01 meters. Time=distance/speed. 0.01/9,609,609,609,606,921,752.88=1.0406250000002910681102439095382e-21 seconds. Assuming jogging speed of 2.5 m/s. 2.5/1.0406250000002910681102439095382e-21=2,402,402,402,401,730,438,220 m/s, or 8,013,551,836,590 times the speed of light!
Thawne also says that he didn’t know what happened. He couldn’t perceive Barry. According to MIT, humans can perceive up to 13 milliseconds, or 0.013 seconds:
Thawne is 9,609,609,609,606,921,752.88 meters per second. A human is 6.7 meters per second. That makes Thawne 1,434,270,090,986,107,724.31 times faster than a human. Dividing 0.013 by 1,434,270,090,986,107,724.31 means that the shortest time Thawne can perceive and react to is 9.0638437500025352032430540707987e-21 seconds. This was 12 seconds to Barry. 9.0638437500025352032430540707987e-21/12=7.5532031250021126693692117256656e-22 seconds. Using jogging speed again. 2.5/7.5532031250021126693692117256656e-22=3,309,854,056,121,787,056,100 meters per second, or 11,040,484,734,681.97 times the speed of light!
Other supporting feats include almost reaching a breach:
its speed here is calculated as 2.126 times that of light
escaping a black hole.
There’s also this feat, which would be 83.5% c. We have Godspeed and Nora moving relative to microwaves, which move at light speed.
Godspeed outran a trillion FPS camera. Shipping containers are 6.058 meters long. Multiplying that by two gets us 12.116 meters. He was visible for two frames of a trillion fps camera, or two picoseconds, or 0.000000000002 seconds. Speed=distance/time. 12.116/0.000000000002=6,058,000,000,000 meters per second, or 20,207.312 times the speed of light.
Actual speed of electricity is Mach 8,740.3. Mach 8,740.3 is 2,997,924.58 m/s. Assuming that the electricity moved 0.0001116 meters (shortest distance perceptible to humans at reading distance), the scene would have lasted for 37.22 picoseconds. That makes one second 8.3 picoseconds. Distance is 16.165 meters. Speed-distance/time. 16.165/0.0000000000083=1,947,590,361,445.78 m/s, or 6,496.46 times the speed of light.
Read back we already have our new scaling listed for the most part and Barry will have 6-A ED
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I kind of forgot, what would be his new tiers?
Also, I know a few people are into it but again, the Arrowverse profiles need some serious upgrades, like with the Supergirl profiles to
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Oooo link me to them if you see them and I got them here
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My comment was more along the lines of "only a few people are into the Arrowverse right now, wich is why it's so slow" lol
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Ah gotcha damn
Welp at the very least is possibly some tier 5 stuff from superman and lois but I'll need to see how this season wraps up because it's been some pretty crazy feats
Either way I'm gonna be trying to do work of my own
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The basic principle is that we're removing statements in general for CW as well as using their highest concrete feat, so some of the feats in that wall of text won't be usable.
I'll try to get to calculating some of the feats ByAsura asked earlier but this is not high on my priority list rn.
I'll try to get to calculating some of the feats ByAsura asked earlier but this is not high on my priority list rn.
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CW Writers are something else
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Plot consistency, the series
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some features that I think should be added to the revision;
1. Resistance to diseases, drugs, toxins, poisons, and Radiation2.improved Longevity (according to abra kadabra, 64.he is still alive in the century)
3.Astral Projection With the help of a tachyon prototype, Barry was able to project his mind onto the Speed Force and communicate with it. Since it increases both his powers and his understanding of the Power of Speed, it is now possible that he can do this of his own free will.
4.Power Nullification (8.destroyed Thawne's speed power in the season)
5.Expert Tactian
6.Social Influencing (Despite Barry's somewhat awkward demeanor, he can be deceptive when necessary. When he went back in time to find a way to be faster, Barry continued to act like his past self next to everyone else. Even when he was captured by Eobard, Barry convinced Eobard that he could achieve his goal of returning to his own time, in reality, he had actually been wiped out of existence. Barry also successfully prevented Remington Meister and Ultraviolet from launching missiles into Central City by pretending to be a serious drunk.)
7.the master engineer (Barry has a very advanced skill in technology, as he is able to recreate Captain Boomerang's bullets from their broken parts and create a variation of the headphones used against Hartley Rathaway from memory. Barry was also able to build a carbine prison from which Reverse-Flash could not escape. In the unlikely future, Barry has designed Gideon, a very complex artificial intelligence unit with a complex system that even Cisco Ramon has no idea how it works.he managed to completely disassemble a fast-going car using a box of mechanical tools)
8.unyielding will / high tolerance for pain: Barry is known for the strength of his will; H.R. Wells declares that it is hope who has an endless reservoir of his true superpower. This was shown when Barry resisted killing Savitar and refused the urge to do so.March Novu called Barry's determination "boundless" and called him one of his greatest attributes.
9.Weapon Creation (he created a lightsaber to fight godspeed)
10.Healing (he cured Jesse, who was in a coma.)
11.Temperature Manipulation (he turned the sandman into a solid with his lightning, he can use his lightning to weld)
12.BFR (he can open a portal to the speed force and imprison enemies or items there)
13.Energy Manipulation
14.Perception Amplification (Is able to perceive the world at a rate attuned to his reaction speed)
15.Emotional Empowerment
16.Statistics Amplification (it can strengthen and accelerate itself by absorbing energy from the environment)
17.Resistance to Black Hole Creation (he was able to get in and out of the black hole)
18.Resistance to Time Manipulation (he was not affected by the stoppage of time, barry got to the side of the reverse flash at the same time as him, even though Nora took the time back)
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How much is left to be done here are we about done with the rest of the calcs?
How much is left to be done here are we about done with the rest of the calcs?
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I write this to tell you that flash is multi + because we saw in season 8 he destroyed timelines thanks to the stone that had on his chest, and he could destroy timelines only in 20 mach but as you know he was not fast enough to do it since we had stolen his speed but except that the flash of season 5 he can do it since according to the vsbw the calculations show that the flash of season 5 can go to ftl in a few seconds. So that means flash can destroy timelines with the stone that has on his chest in seconds. Are you valid or not?
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No maybe its juste a resistance of the time stop
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He's not multiversal+
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He destroy a many timeline
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That doesn't mean he's multiversal+ and you have no scans either
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Bro?? He destroy a time line proof when we destroy a timeline doesn't mean multi +
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Destroying a timeline baseline is low 2-C...
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OK Barry is low 2-C because he destroy a many timeline
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Personally flash is already good in speed, it is better to increase its AP
