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CW Flash Revision

ByAsura said:
Sort of.

New ratings (pending some calculations, obviously).

Attack Potency: Wall level physically, Large Building level+ with the Speed Force (Faster than Rival, who can generate F3 tornadoes). At least City Block level with amp (Severely injured Zoom, even after he added Barry's speed to his own) | Wall level physically. At least Large Building level+ with the Speed Force (Superior to his early Season 2 levels of speed. Consistently defeated the Rival) to at least City Block level (Appears to have regained his previous levels of speed by the Dominator Invasion. Increased his speed enormously throughout the Season) | Wall level physically, Large Town level+ with the Speed Force (Destroyed DeVoe's satellite after he increased its mass a thousand-fold), Higher at full power (Curbstomed Cicada). Continent level+ with Environmental Destruction (Comparable to Eobard Thawne) | Wall level physically, Small City level with the Speed Force (Increased his power significantly since his fight with the Reverse Flash. Fought and defeated Despero, who was stated to have power on par with Kryptonians. Contained the Flame of Py'tar, which would have destroyed Central City). Continent level+ with Environmental Destruction | Wall level physically, Large Town level+ with the Speed Force (Comparable, though somewhat inferior, to the Reverse Flash). Continent level+ with Environmental Destruction (After disconnecting himself from the Speed Force, his wake placed immense pressure on the Earth's mantle, causing earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tsunami and melting the polar ice caps)

Speed: High Hypersonic, Massively Hypersonic+ after his amp | Relativistic, Higher after his amp (After increasing his speed naturally, he eventually outclassed Zoom even with Barry's speed) | Relativistic (Somewhat faster than his Season 2 self) to at least Relativistic (Outclassed Supergirl during the Dominator Invasion. Could keep up with Wally and Savitar by the end of the season; Julian Albert previously suggested that Barry would need to surpass his current speed by the same level that he eclipsed his early season 1 self) | FTL (Blitzed Wally. Moved so fast that lightning appeared to stand still. Lapped the world several times in quick succession), Higher at full power (Easily blitzed the Reverse Flash), far higher with Electricity Absorption (Managed to run across an entire corridor before DeVoe's portal closed, despite previously being unable to even approach it from a much shorter distance) | At least FTL (Significantly faster than before) | FTL

Durability: Wall level physically, Large Building level+ with Speed Force Aura (Can withstand his own lightning, which is generated from the energy he produces while running). At least City Block level with amp | Wall level physically. At least Large Building level+ to at least City Block level with the Speed Force | Wall level physically, Large Town level+ with the Speed Force, Higher at full power | Wall level physically, Small City level with the Speed Force | Wall level physically, Large Town level+ with the Speed Force (Withstood a lightning blast from the Reverse Flash)

Key: Season 1 | Late Season 1/Season 2 | Season 3 | Season 4-7 | Season 8 | Armageddon Timeline
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SPOIL Also resistance of the time stop in the last episode
 
There was a calculation on flash only mftl and not mftl + could you send it to me when I can't find it anymore please?
 
welp this is a flash revision but it seems we're gonna be separating any superman stuff from this thanks to new info also BUMP
 
SPOIL!!!! FLASH 8x20 is multi+ and omniprésentz Because the speed force was in him and the speed force is omniprésentz and multi+
 
Just started season 8 and got up to episode 4 last night. You can correct me if issues were discussed prior to my post.

Season 8 starts with Caitlin saying Barry can run at 4000 miles per hour (Just over Mach 5.2), which I will assume is casual when he has complete speed. Funnily enough, Barry saves the passengers in two colliding trains, stated to be 50 miles away from his location. Caitlin stated he saved everyone in 20 seconds, Barry corrected her with 12 seconds. Assuming she's just referencing Barry getting there and saving everybody, 50 miles / 12 seconds = 15,000 miles per hour. Assuming she's referencing Barry going there and coming back, 100 miles/12 seconds = 30,000 miles per hour. Through the authors, Caitlin has already proven her ability to make false statements by roughly 3-7.5 times in the first 2 minutes and 6 seconds of the first episode.

In episode 3 or 4, he is estimated to be at 5% of his speed by himself and Damien Darhk.

5.2/x = 5/100 , x = 104. So by Caitlin's own statement, Barry at full power should be at Mach 104. Then after Jefferson removes 95% of his speed, he has two minutes to accelerate to Mach 20, given a distance of 40,000 miles.

The simple acceleration formula is a = (v_f - v_i) / Δt
a = (6805.4 meters per second (Mach 20) - 0m/s) /120s
a = 56.71m/s^2 or 0.035238 mi/s^2

The formula for finding distance (displacement) is s = ut + ½at2, where s = displacement, u = initial velocity, a = acceleration, t = time
s = 0m/s(120s) + 1/2(56.71m/s^2)(120s)^2
s = 0 +1/2(56.71m/s^2)(120s)^2
s = 408312 meters or 408.3 kilometers.

Barry could not possibly complete the feat as stated. Using the same formula above but solving for time given the provided distance, and calculated accelerations, Barry could accomplish the feat in roughly 20 minutes, not 2.

However, this also brings up the issue of Barry's speed relative to his power level. If Barry can reach Mach 20 at 5% power, then Mach 20/x = 5/100 = Mach 400 at peak power, which is another contradiction to Caitlin's statement.

This contradicts several things.
-Barry destroys the world accelerating to Mach 20, yet Caitlin says he can travel at Mach 5.2 and essentially causes no problems. This puts any other "Mach x" feat under scrutiny even though the concept of a "speed wake" was just asspulled this season
-On the planetary view in the same episode as the feat, Barry and Eobard cross Spain and head into France in a second, maybe 2, which is a Mach 3k+ or Mach 1k+ feat (at 5% power)
-Barry at "Mach 7" was affecting the rotation of the Earth
-Barry in season 2 needed to run at Mach 3.3 to cross a bridge
-Literally, any previous feat to include outrunning natural lightning in the first season
-In season 7 he saved a stadium of 20,000 people in roughly a minute or so which is a Mach 4-6k feat

Every bit of information in this series is disproven by the actual actions. :(

Oh and Barry becoming casually continental or moon level via kinetic energy whenever plot demands it is memes.
 
Golden_Void said:
Just started season 8 and got up to episode 4 last night. You can correct me if issues were discussed prior to my post.

Season 8 starts with Caitlin saying Barry can run at 4000 miles per hour (Just over Mach 5.2), which I will assume is casual when he has complete speed. Funnily enough, Barry saves the passengers in two colliding trains, stated to be 50 miles away from his location. Caitlin stated he saved everyone in 20 seconds, Barry corrected her with 12 seconds. Assuming she's just referencing Barry getting there and saving everybody, 50 miles / 12 seconds = 15,000 miles per hour. Assuming she's referencing Barry going there and coming back, 100 miles/12 seconds = 30,000 miles per hour. Through the authors, Caitlin has already proven her ability to make false statements by roughly 3-7.5 times in the first 2 minutes and 6 seconds of the first episode.

In episode 3 or 4, he is estimated to be at 5% of his speed by himself and Damien Darhk.

5.2/x = 5/100 , x = 104. So by Caitlin's own statement, Barry at full power should be at Mach 104. Then after Jefferson removes 95% of his speed, he has two minutes to accelerate to Mach 20, given a distance of 40,000 miles.

The simple acceleration formula is a = (v_f - v_i) / Δt
a = (6805.4 meters per second (Mach 20) - 0m/s) /120s
a = 56.71m/s^2 or 0.035238 mi/s^2

The formula for finding distance (displacement) is s = ut + ½at2, where s = displacement, u = initial velocity, a = acceleration, t = time
s = 0m/s(120s) + 1/2(56.71m/s^2)(120s)^2
s = 0 +1/2(56.71m/s^2)(120s)^2
s = 408312 meters or 408.3 kilometers.

Barry could not possibly complete the feat as stated. Using the same formula above but solving for time given the provided distance, and calculated accelerations, Barry could accomplish the feat in roughly 20 minutes, not 2.

However, this also brings up the issue of Barry's speed relative to his power level. If Barry can reach Mach 20 at 5% power, then Mach 20/x = 5/100 = Mach 400 at peak power, which is another contradiction to Caitlin's statement.

This contradicts several things.
-Barry destroys the world accelerating to Mach 20, yet Caitlin says he can travel at Mach 5.2 and essentially causes no problems. This puts any other "Mach x" feat under scrutiny even though the concept of a "speed wake" was just asspulled this season
-On the planetary view in the same episode as the feat, Barry and Eobard cross Spain and head into France in a second, maybe 2, which is a Mach 3k+ or Mach 1k+ feat (at 5% power)
-Barry at "Mach 7" was affecting the rotation of the Earth
-Barry in season 2 needed to run at Mach 3.3 to cross a bridge
-Literally, any previous feat to include outrunning natural lightning in the first season
-In season 7 he saved a stadium of 20,000 people in roughly a minute or so which is a Mach 4-6k feat

Every bit of information in this series is disproven by the actual actions. :(

Oh and Barry becoming casually continental or moon level via kinetic energy whenever plot demands it is memes.
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Yeah we got a lot of this but not multi-contintal just at continent level so damn that's crazy
Hira said:
SPOIL Also resistance of the time stop in the last episode
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This is the current ratings we have
 
Golden_Void said:
Just started season 8 and got up to episode 4 last night. You can correct me if issues were discussed prior to my post.

Season 8 starts with Caitlin saying Barry can run at 4000 miles per hour (Just over Mach 5.2), which I will assume is casual when he has complete speed. Funnily enough, Barry saves the passengers in two colliding trains, stated to be 50 miles away from his location. Caitlin stated he saved everyone in 20 seconds, Barry corrected her with 12 seconds. Assuming she's just referencing Barry getting there and saving everybody, 50 miles / 12 seconds = 15,000 miles per hour. Assuming she's referencing Barry going there and coming back, 100 miles/12 seconds = 30,000 miles per hour. Through the authors, Caitlin has already proven her ability to make false statements by roughly 3-7.5 times in the first 2 minutes and 6 seconds of the first episode.

In episode 3 or 4, he is estimated to be at 5% of his speed by himself and Damien Darhk.

5.2/x = 5/100 , x = 104. So by Caitlin's own statement, Barry at full power should be at Mach 104. Then after Jefferson removes 95% of his speed, he has two minutes to accelerate to Mach 20, given a distance of 40,000 miles.

The simple acceleration formula is a = (v_f - v_i) / Δt
a = (6805.4 meters per second (Mach 20) - 0m/s) /120s
a = 56.71m/s^2 or 0.035238 mi/s^2

The formula for finding distance (displacement) is s = ut + ½at2, where s = displacement, u = initial velocity, a = acceleration, t = time
s = 0m/s(120s) + 1/2(56.71m/s^2)(120s)^2
s = 0 +1/2(56.71m/s^2)(120s)^2
s = 408312 meters or 408.3 kilometers.

Barry could not possibly complete the feat as stated. Using the same formula above but solving for time given the provided distance, and calculated accelerations, Barry could accomplish the feat in roughly 20 minutes, not 2.

However, this also brings up the issue of Barry's speed relative to his power level. If Barry can reach Mach 20 at 5% power, then Mach 20/x = 5/100 = Mach 400 at peak power, which is another contradiction to Caitlin's statement.

This contradicts several things.
-Barry destroys the world accelerating to Mach 20, yet Caitlin says he can travel at Mach 5.2 and essentially causes no problems. This puts any other "Mach x" feat under scrutiny even though the concept of a "speed wake" was just asspulled this season
-On the planetary view in the same episode as the feat, Barry and Eobard cross Spain and head into France in a second, maybe 2, which is a Mach 3k+ or Mach 1k+ feat (at 5% power)
-Barry at "Mach 7" was affecting the rotation of the Earth
-Barry in season 2 needed to run at Mach 3.3 to cross a bridge
-Literally, any previous feat to include outrunning natural lightning in the first season
-In season 7 he saved a stadium of 20,000 people in roughly a minute or so which is a Mach 4-6k feat

Every bit of information in this series is disproven by the actual actions. :(

Oh and Barry becoming casually continental or moon level via kinetic energy whenever plot demands it is memes.
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Why Barry is multi continental please?
 
Hira said:
OK post continental in the vsbw please Bro 😭
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No we have to finish full revisions because there's q lot more than that riding on the CRT this is a major one it just needs to to get the rest of the time out into it to be completed
 
Hira said:
Why Barry is multi continental please?
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Its with environmental destruction. I'm not sure if he can actually hit anyone with that force.
Golden_Void said:
Every bit of information in this series is disproven by the actual actions.
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I mean the point about the CRT is that the show is a massive walking pile of contradictions and anti-feats. Its the same show that said a planetary blackhole can be stopped by the energy of 12 mosquitos but that Barry would be utterly incapable of replicating that same amount of energy.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Its with environmental destruction. I'm not sure if he can actually hit anyone with that force.

I mean the point about the CRT is that the show is a massive walking pile of contradictions and anti-feats. Its the same show that said a planetary blackhole can be stopped by the energy of 12 mosquitos but that Barry would be utterly incapable of replicating that same amount of energy.
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Ah ok thanks]
 
Hira said:
Why Barry is multi continental please?
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I just read it scrolling by, not that I agree with it, but I would assume 1. his speed causes volcanoes and earthquakes and tsunamis simultaneously, even using 6 or 7 on the richter scale it was stated to be "a hundred earthquakes" (which is actually island or small country range)

Someone here posted him and Kara stopping the rotational kinetic energy of the earth which is moon level (don't know if we are going for it though)
 
Golden_Void said:
rotational kinetic energy of the earth which is moon level (don't know if we are going for it though)
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We probably could have gone with it if CW didn't operate purely on Reeve/Earth-96 Superman's rules of Earth Rotation being somehow linked to time. Since by flying in reverse they paused time, which doesn't make any degree of sense.
 
There is another feat similar to the 3 picosecond feat with DeVoe. It was stated DeVoe's breaches > Cisco's, which closes at 3ps. In flashtime during the nuke episode, Cisco states he can't even use this ability because flashtime is too fast. This would potentially mean that outside of Barry absorbing electricity to move faster than 3ps, he does at least have that feat to support him being able to do it organically. He should definitely be able to do it again after being amped by the Speedforce + other forces over regular electricity.
 
We should just stop trying to find any logic in all of this, otherwise we'll never go any further considering the ridiculous number of inconsistencies between real-world science and whatever this series calls science
 
lmao just watched the S1 finale and realised they said 6.7 tera electron volts was way too big for Barry to handle because they thought that sounded cool when that's the KE of a mosquito

Anyway I'll hopefully do a few calcs and make some drafts for this revision next week after my competition in the weekend but I'm not sure if I have a lot of motivation for this revision rn ngl.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
lmao just watched the S1 finale and realised they said 6.7 tera electron volts was way too big for Barry to handle because they thought that sounded cool when that's the KE of a mosquito

Anyway I'll hopefully do a few calcs and make some drafts for this revision next week after my competition in the weekend but I'm not sure if I have a lot of motivation for this revision rn ngl.
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What kind of competition?
 
Actually, why should Farooq's electricity be considered lightning speed? Early Barry isn't/is no longer 8-C or above so there's not really a reason for it to be?

EDIT: Nvm, forgot we were going to upgrade Barry to High 8-C with the Speed Force. Gonna do some calcs then.

Also S1 Flash should get at least Athletic Human LS for the salmon ladder.
 
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