Current Carnage

[CommanderMine]

In the marvel comics currently, Carnage has the grendel symbiote attached to him and he has a cult, can manipulate people with his symbiote. Should we edit Carnage's profile to fit this new version?

 

[Ascha'Vovina]

I don't see why not.

 

[Migue79]

But he's doing it with the Grendel Symbiote, not the Classic Carnage one.

He should get a new Key at least, not get the Classic Carnage one updated with Grendel's abilities. But that's just me.

 

[Antvasima]

It is probably better to wait until the upcoming Carnage event to see what statistics that he should have.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Carnage would likely recieve a new key with this as being merged with Grendel would give him quite a few new abilities but i agree with Ant that we should hold off a bit

 

[Migue79]

Speaking of current Carnage's abilities, why is his Regenerationn rating set as High?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The Carnage symbiote has regenerated from atoms iirc

 

[Migue79]

When?

 

[Ascha'Vovina]

He's regrown his body from a severed head, but that was only in the Microverse.

 

[BloodStalker500]

I think he's lost his weakness to heat with the Grendel symbiote merged with the classic Carnage symbiote in a recent issue (because why not, he's already lost his sound weakness), might be important to consider.

 

[Migue79]

I think he's lost his weakness to heat with the Grendel symbiote merged with the classic Carnage symbiote in a recent issue (because why not, he's already lost his sound weakness), might be important to consider.

Grendel was never weak to sound to begin with. But yeah. Grendel should be the only symbiote to have High Regenerationn IMO (he did no-sell energy compared to a nuclear bomb with it).

 

[BloodStalker500]

I think he's lost his weakness to heat with the Grendel symbiote merged with the classic Carnage symbiote in a recent issue (because why not, he's already lost his sound weakness), might be important to consider.

Grendel was never weak to sound to begin with. But yeah. Grendel should be the only symbiote to have High Regenerationn IMO (he did no-sell energy compared to a nuclear bomb with it).

I was referring to Carnage - before ever interacting with the Grendel - trading his weakness to sound in exchange for one to Cthonic magic by the Darkhold (a magic that is exclusive to the Marvel multiverse, so irrelevant most of the time). Now, with the Grendel merged with the original Carnage symbiote, he's now apparently immune to heat as well since literal hell fire was laughed off like a joke (before, he barely kinda-sort-of survived re-entry). Stats-wise he should easily be > his "base" self from before.

 

[Migue79]

I don't want to jump to the conclusion that he is immune to heat already (as the storyline is barely getting started and that there are anti-feats), but he's definitely much more resistant to it. So, we're on the same page that Carnage with the new symbiote is more powerful than with the Classic Carnage one.

Hmm... And considering the strength difference chain suggested by Marvel (Grendel > Toxin > Carnage > etc.), I think the tier for Carnage's new key should be close to borderline 7-C (unless Carnage's base is getting downgraded to 8-A as well, considering there has been the talk about downgrading Marvel Street level characters).

 

[Antvasima]

Carnage might beat up some 4-B characters during the upcoming event for all that we know.

 

[Migue79]

True. We'll just wait and see.

I'm hyped for it tbh

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Ascha'Vovina]

I think he's lost his weakness to heat with the Grendel symbiote merged with the classic Carnage symbiote in a recent issue (because why not, he's already lost his sound weakness), might be important to consider.

The Grendel symbiote hasn't merged with the "classic" Carnage symbiote. Cletus's portion of his original symbiote died in Web of Venom: Carnage Bor.

I think he's lost his weakness to heat with the Grendel symbiote merged with the classic Carnage symbiote in a recent issue (because why not, he's already lost his sound weakness), might be important to consider.

Grendel was never weak to sound to begin with. But yeah. Grendel should be the only symbiote to have High Regenerationn IMO (he did no-sell energy compared to a nuclear bomb with it).

I was referring to Carnage - before ever interacting with the Grendel - trading his weakness to sound in exchange for one to Cthonic magic by the Darkhold (a magic that is exclusive to the Marvel multiverse, so irrelevant most of the time). Now, with the Grendel merged with the original Carnage symbiote, he's now apparently immune to heat as well since literal hell fire was laughed off like a joke (before, he barely kinda-sort-of survived re-entry). Stats-wise he should easily be > his "base" self from before.

Considering the Darkhold is an expy of the Necronomicon and is even written in H.P. Lovecraft's eldritch language, it's easy to extrapolate he'd be vulnerable to Cthulhu Mythos magic in general.

I don't want to jump to the conclusion that he is immune to heat already (as the storyline is barely getting started and that there are anti-feats), but he's definitely [much more resistant to it]. So, we're on the same page that Carnage with the new symbiote is more powerful than with the Classic Carnage one.
Hmm... And considering the strength difference chain suggested by Marvel (Grendel > Toxin > Carnage > etc.), I think the tier for Carnage's new key should be close to borderline 7-C (unless Carnage's base is getting downgraded to 8-A as well, considering there has been the talk about downgrading Marvel Street level characters).

Err... the image you linked to is of Anti-Venom, not Dark Carnage (what Marvel is calling Cletus + the Grendel symbiote).

 

[Migue79]

I think he's lost his weakness to heat with the Grendel symbiote merged with the classic Carnage symbiote in a recent issue (because why not, he's already lost his sound weakness), might be important to consider.

The Grendel symbiote hasn't merged with the "classic" Carnage symbiote. Cletus's portion of his original symbiote died in Web of Venom: Carnage Born.

It got incinerated completely due to re-entry, right?

 

[Antvasima]

Should we close this thread and wait for 5 months or so until the event is over and done with?

 

[Migue79]

Considering it has been agreed to wait, the purpose of this thread has been fulfilled and it can be closed.

But I feel like people would want to discuss this matter and Absolute/Dark Carnage more. For this, I have created a separate thread in the General Discussion in case fans (or people in general) want to discuss it.

Here it is: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3354125

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will close this then.