C'Thulu Mythos: The Ulimate Gods' immortality

[Assaltwaffle]

Why are they Type 5 immortality? If Azathoth awakens they will not survive. Yog-Soggoth is also vastly above them, so it is reasonable to assume that he could destroy them as well. So how can a non tier 0 with a tier 0 in the series have perfect immortality?

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

I agree with this.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Good to see someone agrees. Hopefully a moderator will see this soon.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

They'll survive. They're beyond things like existing and not existing. They'd just hypothetically lose their "individuality" (which is an illusion, anyway) and become one with Azathoth, again. Of course, as they are beyond perspective and view all that is on all levels simultaneously, Azathoth "won't" awaken, because he doesn't wish to, and therefore he doesn't need to. You can't actually "kill" Outer Gods, or even "erase" their existence, as they do not abide by that duality. Everything there is and isn't is only a fractional portion of them, and they are one with Yog-Sothoth, who is one with Azathoth, who is all.

 

[ThemoonprinceN]

They'll survive. They're beyond things like existing and not existing. They'd just hypothetically lose their "individuality" (which is an illusion, anyway) and become one with Azathoth, again. Of course, as they are beyond perspective and view all that is on all levels simultaneously, Azathoth "won't" awaken, because he doesn't wish to, and therefore he doesn't need to. You can't actually "kill" Outer Gods, or even "erase" their existence, as they do not abide by that duality. Everything there is and isn't is only a fractional portion of them, and they are one with Yog-Sothoth, who is one with Azathoth, who is all.

Well that's nice to know >_>

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

It's important to remember that according to TtGotSK, time in all forms, even higher-dimensional and dimensionless forms of time that vaguely coincide with some form of cause and effect, are all just more limited beings' fractured way of perceiving reality. It's all a matter of perspective, which the Outer Gods are beyond, as they simply view everything as it truly is; a changeless totality, for the idea of change itself is just one of many limited ideas contained within said totality.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

If they will re-enter Azathoth, since Azathoth will become the only thing in existence when it awakens, would that be considered type 8, not type 5, since, hypothetically, if Azathoth was not present they could be destroyed, as they would not have the totality of Azathoth to become one with again? Of course this would only apply to a battle of an Outer God out of the C'Thulu universe, since Azathoth will always be one with and exist in and make up that series.

 

[Promestein]

Azathoth will never ''not'' be present.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Azathoth will never not be present.

In universe, yes, but if someone designated the battleground to take place outside the series, say, the Marvel franchise, Azathoth would not be present, correct?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Even in a battle outside the verse, they would have the same type of immortality. They are not reliant on the supreme being. They are part of the supreme being, and thus the closest you could come to destroying one would be getting rid of its sense of self, which I don't think many of them even have. Azathoth can never be removed from the equation for the sake of the battle because they are, by all means, a part of it. The same way a dream of yours is not something that exists without you.

The reason said immortality listed on their profiles is "Perfect Immortality" is because they are by pretty much all definitions impossible to get rid of. The closest you could come would be altering their form by having them re-enter Azathoth, but even then, that's arguing about a situation that will never happen, because even the concept of "happing" or things using past or future tense are only illusions they do not abide by.

As the verse defines them, they always have been, and always will be, simply because they are. Even pinning down Azathoth as their progenitor is attempting to see something that is beyond logic from a limited scope of cause and effect.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Ah. I see. So would this mean that Azathoth would be unable to destroy one, since they are facet of itself?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Ah. I see. So would this mean that Azathoth would be unable to destroy one, since they are facet of itself?

Azathoth could theoretically do anything, but it is beyond "doing" things (as weird as that sounds), which is part of why the symbolism of it sleeping is meaningful. It does not need to be conscious, or to appear holy and make some sort of divine miracle happen. That is the way a limited being would perceive something they could never understand (for their own sake), but Azathoth simply is, and does not need to be anything more to rule over creation. Even more so than Yog, it's the ultimate embodiment of "I Am that I Am".

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Gotcha. Very interesting to think that a tier 0 like Azathoth or Kami Tenchi would be unable to destroy a tier 1-A. The C'Thulu mythos is weird. No offense, Aza.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Gotcha. Very interesting to think that a tier 0 like Azathoth or Kami Tenchi would be unable to destroy a tier 1-A. The C'Thulu mythos is weird. No offense, Aza.

Not so much unable, but more unwilling. I suppose that would be closer.

Oh definitely. It's very, very weird.

That's part of why I like it.

So many things I enjoy today would lack some of their most interesting bits without the introduction of cosmic horror.

 

[Cropfist]

They would be able to destroy them.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Type 5 Immortality is a standard ability to all 1-As, really. They are beyond the very fundamental ideas of life and death, and attaching such limited notions to them would be very limited.

Of course, a High 1-A and a Tier 0 can easily kill a Type 5 Immortal.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

I mean this guy is dead so he definitely doesn't have type 5...right?