Cross Tag Battle

[Sir_Ovens]

I think it may have to be the same reason Dissidia got shot down. Too many characters scaling to Low 2-C.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

And? what does that have to do with anything?

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

HA. We argued further and Glass said "Do what you want". I think Ever was also leaning on yes as well. So I think it's good. Ask Dragonmaster though, he's the main supporter in Under Night.

She's clearly superior to people who are 2-A in BB canon and constantly has feat of it.

System is designed to observe Boundary itself, which is an infinite expanse beyond multiverse's time and space, which not even Ragna with True BlazBlue could do.

 

[LightinAnt]

There is technically a shitshow with the scaling since Jin, Kokonoe, Tager and fodder like Makoto would possibly be more powerful than Amaterasu

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Dude, it's non-canon. That shit won't bother any scaling on the main or extended canon.

 

[LightinAnt]

I know its not canon, look above what i said, i just still think its a bit ridiculous

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Characters scaling to feats present in the verse is ridiculous?

 

[LightinAnt]

No, but fodder characters suddenly being stronger than the god tiers of the verse with no explanation is ridiculous

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I honestly don't care what you all do with BBTAG tbh. I will remain neutral. What happens happens.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Also yeah, we should revise speed for System.

Rachel explained in Japanese version that System will PI the Boundary then advance to another universe. This is likely the same shit that happens to canon BB, which you need to cross Boundary. Boundary is a dimension beyond space and time as stated by Raquel. She's also scaled above Amaterasu so she shouldn't far below her. She also talked with people across all of time all at once, like the time isn't linear to her. She is also created Phantom Field while in neither of 4 space-time continuums, not to mention Phantom Field has always created within Boundary.

I think this is enough for Likely Immeasurable speed.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Just saying, if you guys do this, then it will be fair to add Smash profiles for participating characters.

We need to establish why this is ok and doesn't mess with scaling and the likes just in case people have any arguments against this.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

There's no way we can **** this up. Just scale the AP and speed. Get some resistances and boom.

 

[LightinAnt]

Reading the crossover page which you guys also should do here. It specifically mentions NOT to scale from canon feats/tiers, i.e System XX should not scale to canon Master Unit etc this extends to hax aswell

 

[WeeklyBattles]

System XX has its own feats to scale to which are still tier 2

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

I don't know why we don't scale System to Amaterasu. BBTAG took place in BB and there are so, SO many references to Blazblue characters and abilities that showed up in canonical series. Not to mention the story is done by Mori himself.

 

[LightinAnt]

It literally doesn't matter if it was made by Mori himself or Daisuke, because its a crossover series that is obviously non canon. MvC and other crossovers scale from their own feats and so should BBtag

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

So, how are the crossover versions of those characters anywhere near major enough to get their own profiles? Because otherwise they are in no way different from other crossovers. Which we generally forbid making profiles for.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Saikou Its an entirely different storyline, essentially a new verse, with its own feats

Unless you want to try to get rid of all the other crossover characters who are nowhere near as major but that we allow here

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Having a storyline doesn't mean we should allow the characters.Smash has not one, but two entirely different storylines. Yet we don't allow them (outside of a few examples that should have been deleted some time ago anyway).

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Unless you want to try to get rid of all the other crossover characters who are nowhere near as major but that we allow here

Like what? If you wanna mention SMT Dante, then he actually plays a role in the game's story (even though it's basically "a MacGuffin carrier").

Btw, we might as well start making Marvel vs Capcom profiles, while we're at it.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

It literally doesn't matter if it was made by Mori himself or Daisuke, because its a crossover series that is obviously non canon. MvC and other crossovers scale from their own feats and so should BBtag

Azure was treated as same shit. So does Boundary. So does Power of Order. So does Power of the Eye. So does Azure Grimoire. So does Susano'o Unit. So does Phantom Field. They use literally 100% same terminology as the canon one. I don't see why we don't scale System to Azure and stuff.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Reb Like all the crossover characters from Mortal Kombat, Akuma (Asura's Wrath) and Ryu (Asura's Wrath)

Meanwhile, RWBY and Co and the rest of the main characters in the BBxTag series DO ACTUALLY PLAY A MASSIVE ROLE IN THE STORY

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also, Ultron-Sigma already exists

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Various characters will get likely fuckton of resistances from this. And what's "major" crossovers anyway?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Honestly Akuma and Ryu should be deleted too. They have no reason to exist.

Also Ultron-Sigma is a crossover-original character. Like Master Hand or smth.

 

[LightinAnt]

It literally doesn't matter if it was made by Mori himself or Daisuke, because its a crossover series that is obviously non canon. MvC and other crossovers scale from their own feats and so should BBtag

Azure was treated as same shit. So does Boundary. So does Power of Order. So does Power of the Eye. So does Azure Grimoire. So does Susano'o Unit. So does Phantom Field. They use literally 100% same terminology as the canon one. I don't see why we don't scale System to Azure and stuff.

Gin you know yourself that Carl or Makoto should no way in hell be 2-A let alone stronger than the master unit

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

It's non-canon it doesn't **** up anything, I said it before.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Saikou Neat, go ahead and try to get them deleted as they have nothing to do with their stories

RWBY and Co actually DO play one of the biggest roles in the BBxTag series

 

[LightinAnt]

If its non canon then stop scaling to the canon, it doesn't matter if they use the same terminology, feats need to be there

 

[WeeklyBattles]

If its non canon then stop scaling to the canon, it doesn't matter if they use the same terminology, feats need to be there

System XX has its own 2-C feats even if you want to completely ignore everything in BlazBlue

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I did push for Ryu and Akuma to get deleted, but I didn't work. It doesn't change the fact that two wrongs doesn't make a right.

Again, importance to the story doesn't matter. It's not what defines if we should allow a character or not. The issue is that those would just be the same character except stronger.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

They use the same terminology, they just doesn't exist. Okay, we won't scale her to Master Unit but she should scale to true Azure. She doesn't scale to a character, she scale to a power that is 2-A.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Saikou Hmmmmmmmm i wonder why.

Tell that to all the crossover characters in Soul Calibur

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Saikou Here's a few more:

Predator (Mortal Kombat)

Jason Voorhees (Mortal Kombat)

Freddy Krueger (Mortal Kombat)

Kratos (Mortal Kombat)

Tarkatan Xenomorph

Leatherface (Mortal Kombat)

2B (Soul Calibur)

Geralt (Soul Calibur)

Kratos (Soul Calibur)

Kratos (Shovel Knight)

Link (Soul Calibur)

akuma (Tekken)

By your bizzare logic, all of these profiles need to be deleted

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

I did push for Ryu and Akuma to get deleted, but I didn't work. It doesn't change the fact that two wrongs doesn't make a right.
Again, importance to the story doesn't matter. It's not what defines if we should allow a character or not. The issue is that those would just be the same character except stronger.

No? They'll get resistances, even abilities like Ragna getting Space-time Manipulation. They are different, they are not just buffed.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

''Why was Kratos in Shovel Knight?''

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Not gonna lie, Kratos having a Shovel Knight profile cracked me up.

But yeah, we should clean up this mess and define which crossover profiles are acceptable and which are not.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Seeing as verses like BBxTag have their own set of feats i see no reason why theyre not allowed when Soul Calibur and Mortal Kombat crossovers are

 

[Genericstickman]

Isn't the rule that the character needs something new (example an ability) separate from the canon version

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

I personally believe guest characters in SB and MK should be removed as well. From my knowledge they're just thrown in there, with no relevance to these games' story whatsoever.