Creator vs Azathoth

[Auraoror]

We accept the creator as the last point beyond. Then if the Creator and Azathoth come together Does the Creator still have limitations against Azathoth?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Azathoth is on a much higher level of Tier 0 afaik, so by that I guess he's stronger

 

[Auraoror]

So in this case, is it necessary to change the definition of the Creator?
Cause it's like talking beyond a point that is said to be no way forward

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

There is no need to change it

Azazoth and The Creator are from different verses. The creator is "the last step" on his own verse, but he could be beaten in other verses

 

[QuasiYuri]

Creator "definition" is just statements from Umineko. Creators realm is the last point in the hierarchy of Umineko's world.

 

[Planck69]

The Creator is only free from limitations in the context of his setting, not all of fiction.

Azathoth (The Supreme Archetype specifically) is still stronger.

 

[JustAPokemonFan]

Wasn´t the supreme archetype nerfed to baseline 0 and regular archetypes to high 1A?