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Creation Trio CRT

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>Type 5 Immortality for Dialga/Palkia/Giratina/Arceus

See below (In the myths they are called "beings" as opposed to Lake Trio, which are called "living things", Palkia is declared as "alive, yet not alive", and the description of the distortion world seems to suggest that life and death are just the same there.)

"From itself, two beings the Original One did make.
Time started to spin. Space began to expand.
From itself again, three living things the Original One did make.
The two beings wished, and from them, matter came to be.
The three living things wished, and from them, spirit came to be."

"The birth of PALKIA.
The creator of parallel dimensions...
Alive, yet not alive...
Everything drifts in space...
To arrive in the same universe.
It is the blessing of PALKIA."

"This is... That where life sparkles... That where life has faded... A place where two worlds overlap..."

>Type 4 acausality for Giratina and Arceus

"The Distortion World is said to be another world on the underside of this one. A strange dimensional space in which this world's logic doesn't apply. Time doesn't flow, and space is unfixed. And it's said that in this mysterious world, the legendary Pokemon Giratina resides."

"Hitomi: Ufufu... The Distortion World, such a wonderful name... The laws of reality must even distort there..."

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/210930-pokemon-ultra-sun/75582048

https://www.pokemon.jp/special/forme/zukan01/

-no concept of time and space^^^^

and:

DWGiratinaNTD





(Reminder that Giratina is the Distortion World itself.)

>Portal Creation and Energy Projection for the CT

obvious reasons

>Time Stop for Dialga

obvious reasons

("Dialga has the ability to warp time by slowing it down, speeding it up, and even stopping it altogether, and Sinnoh region mythology says that time began moving when Dialga was born.")

https://pokemongolive.com/en/post/legendary-dialga2019/

>Fate Manipulation for Giratina

(Via Destiny Bond)

>Statistics Reduction, Homing Attack and Fear Manipulation for Dialga, Palkia and Giratina (and Arceus)

"Intimidator" IQ skill.

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/IQ#Explorers_of_Time.2C_Darkness_and_Sky

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Aura_Sphere_(move)

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Scary_Face_(move)

>Chaos Manipulation

See below [F3]

>Metal Manipulation and limited Statistics Reduction for Arceus and Dialga (Via Iron Tail)

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Iron_Tail_(move)

>Ectoplasm Manipulation for Arceus and Giratina (Via Shadow Claw)

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shadow_Claw_(move)

>Causality Manipulation for Arceus

It's thanks to Arceus that the alternative future of Dusknoir, Grovyle and Celebi still exists and was not erased by causality due to changes in the past.

>Vibration Manipulation for Dialga (and Arceus)

"It causes powerful waves. Watch out when it starts to charge its power."

~Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs

https://youtu.be/Unq4PMeq5yM?t=359

>Berserk Mode for Dialga and Palkia

https://youtu.be/Unq4PMeq5yM?t=351

https://youtu.be/Unq4PMeq5yM?t=68

>Fire Manipulation for Palkia and Dialga

https://youtu.be/Unq4PMeq5yM?t=54

Screenshot 2016-04v-27-03-50-02


>Possible Durability Negation for Palkia (and Arceus)

Spacial Rend cuts the enemy's space:

"The user tears the foe along with the space around it. This move has a high critical-hit ratio."
"The user tears the target along with the space around it. Critical hits land more easily."

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Spacial_Rend_(move)
 
Certainly Dialga and Palkia should have Existence Erasure again, their mere presence in the games was causing the destruction of all things (including the spirit), also Palkia threatens multiple times the player with erasing him from existence:

https://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/ultra/en-us/alola-region.html#rainbowrocket

"Cyrus is the boss of Team Galactic, the villainous organization that appeared in Pokémon Diamond and Pokémon Pearl.
Believing that the human heart is imperfect, Cyrus held a desire to use the power of the Legendary Pokémon Dialga or Palkia to erase the current world and create a perfect new world. He always conducts himself in a cool and logical way, and he is greatly trusted by his subordinates in Team Galactic."

CTpres
"Now all will end. And everything will begin. With this Red Chain I will pry open the portal to another dimension. I command that you unleash all your power for me... DialgaD/PalkiaP the mythical Pokémon and the master of timeD/space and dimensionsP! This will bring about the destruction of all things. With everything gone, there will be no fighting and no strife. Can you feel time distorting? Only I can choose to stop itD/Feel the dimensions distorting... Only I can stop itP. This is the mythical Pokémon that created Sinnoh! DialgaD/PalkiaP the ancient deity of timeD/space and dimensionsP! This world cannot be molded into the ultimate world I seek! It's far easier to create an entirely new world than to change this one! A new world in which I am the ruler of all things! I shall become a deity!"

Palkia EE
 
wait, why the hell was Existence Erasure taken off their profiles in the first place? Is it the spite shenanigans again?

Also, idk why BFR wasn't added to Dialga's profile in the first place. The obvious evidence was right there in front of us.
 
"From itself, two beings the Original One did make.
Time started to spin. Space began to expand.
From itself again, three living things the Original One did make.
The two beings wished, and from them, matter came to be.
The three living things wished, and from them, spirit came to be."

"The birth of PALKIA.
The creator of parallel dimensions...
Alive, yet not alive...
Everything drifts in space...
To arrive in the same universe.
It is the blessing of PALKIA."

"This is... That where life sparkles... That where life has faded... A place where two worlds overlap..."

Is it possible for Dialga and Palkia to have type 5 immortality (Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death)? In the myths they are called "beings" as opposed to Lake Trio, which are called "living things", Palkia is declared as "alive, yet not alive", and the description of the distortion world seems to suggest that life and death are just the same there.
 
So, is somebody willing to update the page?
 
Look above, statements like "alive, yet not alive" and being declared only "beings" as opposed to the lake trio, which are called "living things", makes type 5 a possibility, I think...
 
@Cal

Thank you for the help. Is there anything left to do here, or should we close this thread?
 
I pointed this out in another thread but since this is a revision post, and I dont want to have to make a new thread if I dont have to, im pointing it out again here.

Except for maybe the LT, Arceus and the CT should be given back their immunity to soul manipulation. I saw the thread where this was argued against and the reaaonings were, no offense, very bad.

When has it ever been actually stated that the CT were given souls by the LT post-creation? Because it seems rather silly to just assume they were slapped on with a soul when they were born without a soul in the 1st place.

Just because the CT embody the multiverse doesn't mean they were given souls by the LT just like regular people and pokemon were given one. We need explict proof that they did.

That would be like saying the CT can't breathe in outer space because the people in the multiverse they embody can't breathe in outer space.

To go even further, accepting this line of reasoning is equivalent to thinking the LT's power and dominion is capable of effecting all of the CT at once, which is completely wrong as the entire LT can only effect 1 of the CT.

Not to mention, this is also assuming that the LT giving spirit out is even able to bypass Arceus's creation process since, again, he created the CT as being souless in the 1st place. And thinking the LT can bypass Arceus's methods of creation is just....wrong.

If the CT had no souls to begin with, then they need to remain soulless unless proven otherwise.
 
@Neo

What do u think about my reply? Do you agree or disagree that Arceus and the CT should have their immunity to soul manipulation back?
 
You can use the Pokémo verse page to find staff members to ask to comment here.
 
Every Pokemon should get non-physical interaction tbh. I wanna say nearly every, but I can't think of any examples that can't hit ghosts in some way.

Firing a beam from your mouth isn't a breath attack. However, Dialga does learn Dragon Breath naturally, which is pretty clearly a breath attack, so I agree regardless.

I agree with the rest, and feel they've been explained well enough to be added personally
 
I suppose that seems to make sense.
 
Should the Lake Trio also regain their soul manipulation immunity or just the CT and Arceus?

I'm fine with whatever but just wanted to ask.
 
Xerkser500 said:
That's fine.

Also, another thing. Arceus needs his mind resistance upgraded to scaling to Hoopa instead of Sheena and Damos.

This was already agreed upon by Cal and Multiple others to add to Arceus's page but the thread just....died. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2601529?useskin=oasis#40
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I'm surprised Arceus's Resistance higher capacity to said ability just died in terms of discussions about that. Honestly it kinda says a lot about the amount of discord that Pokémon is getting on this site, when I think about it from different standpoints.
 
Xerkser500 said:
Lets not say something that can start problems please. Lets keep that to ourselves.
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Yea, my bad, man. It just bothered me because it's something I felt that should've been taken care of much easier and earlier.
 
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/210930-pokemon-ultra-sun/75582048

"The Distortion World is said to be another world on the underside of this one. A strange dimensional space in which this world's logic doesn't apply. Time doesn't flow, and space is unfixed. And it's said that in this mysterious world, the legendary Pokemon Giratina resides."

"Hitomi: Ufufu... The Distortion World, such a wonderful name... The laws of reality must even distort there..."

https://www.pokemon.jp/special/forme/zukan01/

>no concept of time and space^^^^

Does this count as Type 4 acausality for at least the true form of Giratina?

Also the Creation Trio and Arceus should get Law Manipulation, the Distortion World distorts the laws of reality, and Giratina drags only those who break or distort the laws of reality into their world, and Giratina dragged Cyrus by using the powers of Dialga/Palkia to create their desired reality.

"The staff member who spotted the shadow at the Spear Pillar said that this picture was similar to the shadow they saw. The person who gave us this snapshot said that Giratina quietly watches this world, dragging those that break the laws of the world into the Distortion World to feel its wrath."

"Hitomi: Ah, what should I do to call Giratina to me? Maybe if I try to distort the laws of this world it'll come. Then I better start now. I'll curse this world to disappear."

Also pic semi-related:

Fl096
 
The Distortion World should be changed from a type 2 void to a type 3 void if the very concepts of time and space don't exist there.
 
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