Cobra Kai Upgrades + Daniel LaRusso profile redux!!!

[Vzearr]

Daniels new profile:​

Daniel LaRusso profile draft

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Upgrades/Additions:​

• Paralysis Inducement (Capable of hitting parts of the body that rendering the part of the limb he hit temporarily immobilized)
• Clairvoyance (Saw Mr. Miyagi fighting a person he killed)
• Upgrading Cobra Kai characters to Wall level for the following reasons: Johnny Lawrence can pulverise mid sections of cinder blocks and destroy wooden tables. Chozen split a massive wooden board. Tory can punch through thick stone, and dent metal.
• Upgrading characters to Likely Superhuman combat/reaction speed. Pitching Machines Throw baseballs between 29 and 146 mph, which is 87.5 mph on average, however Keene was just practicing and is nowhere near pro level (which is above 80 mph), which is why assuming the low end is better imo. Miguel reacted to and hit a pitching machine ball.
• I added references!
• Changed Daniels stamina to Peak Human. For these reasons.

Downgrades:​

• Daniel scaling to Peak Human is a bit eh imo. There is no reason to assume this scales to Peak Human. Moved his lifting strength to 'Athletic'
• Changed general intelligence to Unknown. Nothing really suggests he's gifted in terms of general intelligence.

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

Most of these are fine. But for Paralysis Inducement, that's just a form of Pressure Points. But I do know for a fact that Miyagi is definitely dead in this universe, but do we know if this is a dream or not?

 

[Vzearr]

Most of these are fine. But for Paralysis Inducement, that's just a form of Pressure Points. But I do know for a fact that Miyagi is definitely dead in this universe, but do we know if this is a dream or not?

It's a dream, he wakes up near the end.

 

[Grand_Astartes]

Clairvoyance (Saw Mr. Miyagi fighting a person he killed)

Not sure about this, it was just him dreaming. Purely artistic choice, not a genuine ability of his.

Daniel scaling to Peak Human is a bit eh imo. There is no reason to assume this scales to Peak Human. Moved his lifting strength to 'Athletic'

If you're talking about the cement mixer feat, yeah I agree it is a little uncertain, but I'm also not sure if that would only be an "Athlete" level feat.

Changed general intelligence to Unknown. Nothing really suggests he's gifted in terms of general intelligence.

Average would be fine for his general intelligence. We know that he is a competent business person and not dumb or anything by any means.

Agree with the rest.

Edit: Also I agree with Propellus that the Paralysis Inducement feat should be listed as "Pressure Points" with a (Paralysis) in parentheses next to it.

 

[Vzearr]

If you're talking about the cement mixer feat, yeah I agree it is a little uncertain, but I'm also not sure if that would only be an "Athlete" level feat.

I'm not scaling him to athlete level for that. I gave other reasoning.

Average would be fine for his general intelligence. We know that he is a competent business person and not dumb or anything by any means.

It's unknown though, right?

Not sure about this, it was just him dreaming. Purely artistic choice, not a genuine ability of his.

• Dream Scying: The ability to see what happened in the past or future through one's dreams.

 

[Grand_Astartes]

I'm not scaling him to athlete level for that. I gave other reasoning.

The image link is broken so I assumed it was the cement mixer feat, apologies.

It's unknown though, right?

Not really, I think we can make a pretty reasonable assumption that he has at least Average human level intelligence based on what we know of him haha

Dream Scying: The ability to see what happened in the past or future through one's dreams.

I don't think this is an actual ability he has or displayed in that scene though. Contextually he has been conflicted for weeks about the past of Mr. Miyagi, especially after finding out that Mr. Miyagi was in the Sekai Tekai years ago. This scene was simply him dreaming about that, no reason to believe it was anything more let along dream scrying/clairvoyance.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Paralysis Inducement (Capable of hitting parts of the body that rendering the part of the limb he hit temporarily immobilized)

Yeah that's just Pressure Points

Clairvoyance (Saw Mr. Miyagi fighting a person he killed)

This seems like a very limited version of Retrocognition

Upgrading Cobra Kai characters to Wall level for the following reasons: Johnny Lawrence can pulverise mid sections of cinder blocks and destroy wooden tables. Chozen split a massive wooden board. Tory can punch through thick stone, and dent metal.

Chozen's feat is the only one who looks like Wall level, i've seen most of the other feats in verses i like and they get to 9-C at best.

I think a calculation would be best for a case like this tbh

Upgrading characters to Likely Superhuman combat/reaction speed. Pitching Machines Throw baseballs between 29 and 146 mph, which is 87.5 mph on average, however Keene was just practicing and is nowhere near pro level (which is above 80 mph), which is why assuming the low end is better imo. Miguel reacted to and hit a pitching machine ball.

87,5 mph would be equal to Subsonic reaction speed

 

[Vzearr]

Yeah that's just Pressure Points

You can get paralysis inducement from pressure points though.

This seems like a very limited version of Retrocognition

Sure?

Chozen's feat is the only one who looks like Wall level, i've seen most of the other feats in verses i like and they get to 9-C at best.

Fragmenting a thick long brick and pulverising a subsection of a cinderblock isn't wall level? That's absurd!

87,5 mph would be equal to Subsonic reaction speed

I gave reasoning as to why that shouldn't be used.

 

[Grand_Astartes]

This seems like a very limited version of Retrocognition

I don't think it even qualifies for this. It quite simply was just a dream.

 

[Vzearr]

I don't think it even qualifies for this. It quite simply was just a dream.

Where he saw what Mr. Miyagi did in the past.

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

It's a dream, he wakes up near the end.

• Dream Scying: The ability to see what happened in the past or future through one's dreams.

So then I don't think this qualifies for Clairvoyance, as it's just a dream.

Chozen's feat is the only one who looks like Wall level, i've seen most of the other feats in verses i like and they get to 9-C at best.

But we see Johnny shattering a table with Mike, that's already grounds for consistency in 9-B.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Chozen's feat is the only one who looks like Wall level, i've seen most of the other feats in verses i like and they get to 9-C at best.

Destroying a wooden table is Wall Level

 

[Vzearr]

So then I don't think this qualifies for Clairvoyance, as it's just a dream.

Does it not fall under the exact definition of Dream Scying?

Destroying a wooden table is Wall Level

I forgot about that one lol. Blatantly Wall level.

 

[Grand_Astartes]

Where he saw what Mr. Miyagi did in the past.

He didn't see what Mr.Miyagi did in the past, if he did he would have seen the person Miyagi fought in the Sekai Tekai, and it would have later been confirmed to be accurate. He simply dreamed that he fought a younger Mr. Miyagi and got beat up.

 

[Vzearr]

He didn't see what Mr.Miyagi did in the past, if he did he would have seen the person Miyagi fought in the Sekai Tekai, and it would have later been confirmed to be accurate. He simply dreamed that he fought a younger Mr. Miyagi and got beat up.

In his dream he was the person Mr. Miyagi killed. He was watching Mr. Miyagi kill the person from the persons pov.

 

[Grand_Astartes]

In his dream he was the person Mr. Miyagi killed. He was watching Mr. Miyagi kill the person from the persons pov.

He was the person that Mr. Miyagi killed because prior to this he was informed of and conflicted about the fact Mr. Miyagi killed someone in the Sekai Tekai. Hence this entire dream sequence. This conflict simply manifested in the form of a dream where Mr. Miyagi, the person who he thought was peaceful and he looked up to, killed him. There is nothing remotely close to Clairvoyance or Retrocognition here in context.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Okay, the scrollboxes are super unnecessary, no? His justifications are not nearly long enough to warrant them spanning his entire page.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

You can get paralysis inducement from pressure points though.

It would be primairly indexed as Pressure Points, though

Pretty sure we don't give every character that showed a similar level of knowledge on Pressure Points paralysis inducement

I gave reasoning as to why that shouldn't be used.

Not sure on your reasoning

WIll wait for more input in it

Destroying a wooden table is Wall Level

Oh yeah, it works then

 

[Vzearr]

Okay, the scrollboxes are super unnecessary, no? His justifications are not nearly long enough to warrant them spanning his entire page.

I like the way they look, I think it looks appealing. Personal thing.

It would be primairly indexed as Pressure Points, though

Pretty sure we don't give every character that showed a similar level of knowledge on Pressure Points paralysis inducement

I mean, he literally paralyses a part of their body temporarily through pressure points. Definition of paralysis inducement.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I mean, he literally paralyses a part of their body temporarily through pressure points. Definition of paralysis inducement.

It would still fall under what i pointed above, i think

 

[Catzlaflame]

Pressure points don’t inherently imply paralysis inducement, so indexing them both seems acceptable to me.

As per this thread, proposal 2 had the most staff support:

2) We only index the root ability, and the overlapping abilities that actually happened in the series

Which upholds indexing both. My only thing is, instead of writing it as 2 separate points, just condense it. Like this:

• Pressure Points, Paralysis Inducement (Capable of hitting parts of the body that rendering the part of the limb he hit temporarily immobilized[3])

No need to add the same justification and scan twice.

Regarding Clairvoyance, if my understanding is correct - I disagree.

Is that Daniel seeing the actual person getting killed or is that… Daniel inserting himself into the scene ? Cus is the guy that he’s fighting not Daniel himself? I looked it up and every source says it’s Daniel, and one of the seemingly official Netflix accounts also says it’s Daniel v. Miyagi in Daniel’s dream.

If that’s the case, then he’s not viewing the actual past event, he’s just illustrating the event based off what he recently learns about his master, in a dream, that doesn’t really strike me as clairvoyance, no.

Rest seems ok.

 

[Vzearr]

Alright, I'll remove Clairvoyance since it's widely disagreed. Thanks for the evaluation Catz and Prop!

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Pressure points don’t inherently imply paralysis inducement, so indexing them both seems acceptable to me.

As per this thread, proposal 2 had the most staff support:

Which upholds indexing both. My only thing is, instead of writing it as 2 separate points, just condense it. Like this:

No need to add the same justification and scan twice.

Regarding Clairvoyance, if my understanding is correct - I disagree.

Is that Daniel seeing the actual person getting killed or is that… Daniel inserting himself into the scene ? Cus is the guy that he’s fighting not Daniel himself? I looked it up and every source says it’s Daniel, and one of the seemingly official Netflix accounts also says it’s Daniel v. Miyagi in Daniel’s dream.

If that’s the case, then he’s not viewing the actual past event, he’s just illustrating the event based off what he recently learns about his master, in a dream, that doesn’t really strike me as clairvoyance, no.

Rest seems ok.

I have the same thoughts as this ^

 

[Kyleb79]

I agree with all of this except the dream stuff.

I'm going to edit basically all the profiles in the verse. The main reason there were so many scaling metrics is because so many people had Street level feats. But now that it's tied down to 3 people, a lot of the profiles can be less convoluted.

The main scalers for the verse are now Post-Timeskips Johnny & Chozen + Tory

 

[Kyleb79]

Also the feats that were presented were calculated by someone. You might want to check it out

Also additionally these were all the feats I posted back but the links were damaged because of imgur and only fixed them on the profiles.

• Pre-Timeskip Kreese shatters two car windows in a single strike
• Pre-Timeskip Daniel splits six one foot slabs of ice with a single chop
• Mr. Miyagi breaks a wooden support beam with a chop
• Pre-Timeskip Mike Barnes tosses Daniel breaking wooden planks and a window.
• Pre-Timeskip Mike Barnes smashes the middle portion of bricks to dust
• An unnamed Alpha Elite member can take being flung by a bungee rope and slammed into a fence like obstacle at high speeds and are only strained afterward
• Ned Randall violently shatters car windows and the rear windscreen with a baseball bat
• Fodder armed men casually shatter the windows of Johnny's car and heavily damage his windscreen; all in a single strike
• Post-Timeskip Johnny breaks the middle portion of five concrete bricks in a single strike
• Johnny breaks a car window while heavily intoxicated
• Johnny cracks part of a windscreen by throwing a man onto it
• Hawk throws Bert into a window which shatters the small glass frames and unhinged the wood
• Kreese charges Daniel through a large glass panel
• Johnny karate chops two concrete cylinders
• Chris karate chops five concrete slabs
• Kyler destroys destroying five concrete slabs with his head
• Post-Timeskip Chozen kicks Mike Barnes onto a table, breaking it
• Daniel punctures holes in the wall to nothing
• Johnny tackles a ringer onto a table, breaking it
• Sensei Odell punctures metal with a kick
  
  And there's some new ones:
  Johnny kicks Mike Barnes into a table
  Daniel destroys a table

That’s 4 feats of smashing up tables.

 

[GarrixianXD]

Clairvoyance does look very iffy, as we literally see the guy wake up in a dream after the scene. The rest seems fine.

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

Clairvoyance does look very iffy, as we literally see the guy wake up in a dream after the scene. The rest seems fine.

You're too late.