- 10,688
- 4,810
it’s not 8-A. Stop treating it like it is. It’s an unquantifiable increase, and if you want to prove otherwise, go make a CRT for it. It's called surface area.
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Ok so we're just ignoring the fact that Guts has a blatant higher with his equipment here and are just gonna pretend he's not actually stronger with them and the profile is lying about that higher rating.If this becomes CQC cloud is over 3x as strong and has higher lifting strength as well as a far more maneuverable weapon and more versatility at close range, what with being able to cast spells with a massive aoe and even infuse them into his swings and body, so at that point he still just dominates with ease lol
Fire, Lightning, ice, and Wind basic spell. That's what he has here.Depends on the game which is why it's considered malleable. Sometimes it spawns sometimes it's a projectile, even in the same game like FFBE.
Probably will at this point. The arm cannon is blatantly 8-A.it’s not 8-A. Stop treating it like it is. It’s an unquantifiable increase, and if you want to prove otherwise, go make a CRT for it.
Yeah actually, because the "higher" rating is based off of the durability of a weapon in question rather than it magically increasing guts' strength. This is literally a "ryuko is 6-A at the beginning of the series because she uses the scissor blade" tier argumentOk so we're just ignoring the fact that Guts has a blatant higher with his equipment here and are just gonna pretend he's not actually stronger with them and the profile is lying about that higher rating.
All materiaAnd massive AOE? With the basic starting spells? Since ******* when.
Fire, Lightning, ice, and Wind basic spell. That's what he has here.
Wind
You're gonna keep moving the goalpost cause you really can't handle the AP gap huhProbably will at this point. The arm cannon is blatantly 8-A.
Though that still doesn't change the fact an unquantifiable increase is still a huge ass increase in context and Cloud being 3x a dude with a blatant and demonstrable increase in raw power to the point of explicit one shots on foes stronger than himself, isn't actually Cloud being 3x stronger anymore.
I never asked which spells he had, I said it's activation depends from game to game and in some cases like FFBE, FF Type-0, and World of FF, will have different forms of use in the same game (Fire spawning on someone and being a projectile in the same game.)Fire, Lightning, ice, and Wind basic spell. That's what he has here.
End of Golden Age Guts
That is literally not what I'm saying, could you misrepresent the argument any further?Yeah actually, because the "higher" rating is based off of the durability of a weapon in question rather than it magically increasing guts' strength. This is literally a "ryuko is 6-A at the beginning of the series because she uses the scissor blade" tier argument
You're gonna keep moving the goalpost cause you really can't handle the AP gap huh
My bad, I thought he had wind in the original, don't need to be such a sassy **** about it.Oh we're using the remake here? In that case Cloud stomps even harder via afterimage creation that works on faster foes like Sephiroth, way better feats of acrobatics, skill, and mobility, status effects, and summons.
You claim you're such an expert and yet you're considering spells cloud doesn't even have in the original
I know you didn't ask, I did. How is the spells that Cloud have in this match portrayed, is what I was asking. Though if it's so all over the place, why the hell aren't we just using them as they appear in the game the key is from, but even then, do you mind pointing out when Cloud has used the above spells with just a thought and nothing else?I never asked which spells he had, I said it's activation depends from game to game and in some cases like FFBE, FF Type-0, and World of FF, will have different forms of use in the same game (Fire spawning on someone and being a projectile in the same game.)
Is debating without being toxic as shit hard or something, btw? This is RVR level stuff.Oh, my bad, turns out you're just a ****.
Though due to your inability to read...
Why the **** are you replying to me? I'm not the one who started it.Is debating without being toxic as shit hard or something, btw? This is RVR level stuff.
...because I'm staff, it's my job? Hello?Why the **** are you replying to me? I'm not the one who started it.
Don't know dude, sounds like a **** move owoI'll call a spade a spade just like I'll call a ** a **, is that not fair?
You're contributing much to this aren'tcha?Things definitely could have been civil but that's clearly asking to much.
Oh, I wasn't even referring to the cannon. They start at two meters, both of their swords are massive, there's no reason to think they aren't just ******* flailing those things all around. The cannon isn't really a major part of the argument, I feel, when starting at that range. I do have a question, how long does it take Cloud to cast a spell? Like is it thought activated, vocally, gesture, etc? At a range of 2 meters I feel weird saying "Cloud will do this immediately" but still, if that is the case, I'd like to know how quickly he can do it.that's not really what i meant in terms of "they can just dodge". What i'm trying to say is that guts' hand cannon is a one-off projectile, and should be a lot easier to dodge considering cloud's dodged multiple streams of projectiles before. But Cloud's magic just outright spawns on foes, so you can't really avoid that.
Though, this is the midgar key, so Cloud's only magic is gonna be Fire, Ice, Lightning, and Healing. Which, again considering they spawn directly on enemies and Cloud is well over three times as strong at this point...
I'm not sure I agree, like I get what you're saying but the meme was a wee bit outta hand. Chariot made bad points, the opposition took the opportunity to confront it in an offstandish way, even if the former wasn't a good take the latter probably wasn't the best solution. Chariot getting pissy over it is understandable....because I'm staff, it's my job? Hello?
Also you're clearly the worst offender in this scenario
Don't know dude, sounds like a **** move owo
You're contributing much to this aren'tcha?
I'm locking this thread and reporting you to the RVR, have fun debating your ban there.
They do, it's symbolised by the fact you can't dodge a magic in FF7. But in the original game Midgar key is from, Cloud move each time he's doing magic.I'm like 99% sure they don't LITERALLY spawn on them
For spells, due to this being early game, it would only take him around a couple seconds to cast at worst and probably immediately at best as these spells are only the first stage versions and thus don't really require charge time unlike 2nd or 3rd stages.Oh, I wasn't even referring to the cannon. They start at two meters, both of their swords are massive, there's no reason to think they aren't just ******* flailing those things all around. The cannon isn't really a major part of the argument, I feel, when starting at that range. I do have a question, how long does it take Cloud to cast a spell? Like is it thought activated, vocally, gesture, etc? At a range of 2 meters I feel weird saying "Cloud will do this immediately" but still, if that is the case, I'd like to know how quickly he can do it.
I was not, for the record, no. I stand by the belief that Cloud isn't guaranteed or even necessarily likely to open up out the gate with spells, and his win condition largely relies on this belief.That’s 5-1 in clouds favor if my count is correct, 6 if Bambu was voting cloud
Cloud isn't gonna try and use magic when he's forced into a sword duel with that he doesn't have an option in. he has to sword duel, if he doesn't he's getting sliced, and the magic most certainly isn't instant, even the basic versions, assuming we're using how they appear in game of the original FF7, still take nearly two seconds to cast. That's two seconds he has to divert his attention to something else, two seconds he has to try and cast a spell while someone is swinging a hunk of steel at him. That is how fast they are used in the original FF7, whether that be fire, ice, etc. Even with one hand, two seconds with a obvious casting warning should be enough to tip Guts off.They start at 2 meters distance.
At this point it doesn't matter, I'm apparently getting crucified unfortunately.I can close it if you want.
Sure, but said magic still has the same issues mentioned previously. Unlike in the game, Cloud will be getting attacked theoretically as he uses cure. I dunno if its really an advantage at all given he has to stop attacking to do it.While it isn't an instant kill, I believe it gives Cloud a much more versatile way of attacking here. I am also pretty positive he should have Cure as well, meaning he has the ability to basically heal any wounds he received which Guts iirc cannot really do giving Cloud another advantage.
Also, gameplay is just me showing how fast spells come out overall. Kinda hard to find cutscenes of Cloud fighting alone considering well...JRPG.
Regardless, I believe his access to magic, including Healing gives him the edge here in this fight, hence why I wilk vote Cloud for this one.