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Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Discussion

I just downloaded the game from Game Pass, any starter tips to look out for so I don't do something that will piss myself off for being dumb?
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
I just downloaded the game from Game Pass, any starter tips to look out for so I don't do something that will piss myself off for being dumb?
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parry when the attack actually connects not before and not after, you'll understand in practice. Like literally when it actually looks like it directly touches you then parry
 
For those who have completed the main story, I am curious to know, which ending did you pick?

I personally went with...
Maelle's Ending. Now I've seen countless people go out of their way to say this is the bad ending because of the frankly biased cinematography, but all endings in this game are bitter pretty blatantly. I've thought about it a lot and I just cannot in any way morally justify ever picking Verso's Ending. I think it's pretty obvious the people in the Canvas are sentient and real. They have their own goals, desires, independence, and can even have their own children. Not to mention pretty much everyone in the game (Even Clea sorta) does acknowledge them as real individuals. Erasing their world and everyone in it is outright unacceptable. As for Painted Verso, I mean the dude is arguably the main villain of the game. He constantly betrays and lies to Expedition 33 (Also what he did to Julie and her team) and is pretty outright responsible for Gustave's Death and the deaths of everyone in Lumiere towards the end of Act 2. And watching the Level 6-7 conversations with Sciel makes this even more atrocious considering he's flirting with her and having relations with her with complete intent to betray her YET AGAIN. The dude is actively trying to kill EVERYONE in order to "save" the "real" Dessendre's. And here's the thing, the Dessendre's don't deserve anything TBH. Based on what Renoir's said, they've created countless worlds and probably ended them too. They are extremely selfish and are in the middle of a war with the Writers that Renoir lowkey implies he had a role in instigating. They also don't treat each other well at all... Like I 100% understand the importance of accepting death and moving on and making up with your family... But NOT at the cost of destroying an entire world of people. They're basically selfish Gods. Let's also not pretend Painted Verso isn't mainly doing this JUST so he can die as well.

Now as for Maelle. She's definitely selfish in her own right and keeping Painted Verso alive when he's begging to die is pretty heinous (But TBH, the dude kinda doesn't deserve any respect for his wishes after all the evil and vile shit he's done to so many people. Also it's morally dubious if it's right to kill someone just because they're sick of their lives. Like Verso's Ending lowkey supports suicidal ideation and also kinda supports the horrible notion that all of humanity should die because of the IRL cycle of violence), especially considering how she gommaged Painted Alicia, but I honestly think she still is the most morally correct member of the Dessendre family. From her perspective, she's spent 16 years in the real world and 16 years in the canvas world. For her, both worlds are equally valid to her and her relationship with the world and it's people is not something to gloss over. Some people like to say Maelle only cares about what's best for her and she's only thinking of her self. But all of the conversations she has in Act 3 in regards to everyone support the idea that she truly loves them and is fighting for their happiness as well. Now in the real world, she's disabled and has basically no one caring for her (Reminder Aline had around 100 years in the Canvas to try and forgive Alicia and still just doesn't). There's also heavy implications she was not treated well long before Verso died, so it's no wonder at all she prefers to live and die in the Canvas world. Now is it wrong for her to do this? Kinda. Is she running away from her grief and refusing to accept death? Kinda. Is this what's best for her? Ehhhhhhhhhh. Like I 100% get that Maelle staying in the Canvas could be considered bad and will ultimately kill her (Although considering it's implied Aline lived around 100 years in the canvas without dying and spent longer in other canvas' according to Clea, she'd 100% be able to live what I would consider a "full life" in the Canvas before dying). I mean she's a teenager, so her maturity is definitely not up there and this is definitely not the healthiest, but still, she's at least fighting for people to LIVE and not for people to die like Painted Verso is. To culimante all of the expeditions hard fought battles and sacrifices with their world being erased due to a selfish asshole's desire to die and a selfish family's desire to MAYBE move on together and heal. That would be some BS. Now as to whether the people Maelle brings back in Lumiere are the same as the originals or not is up to debate (I do agree bringing them back to life is morally questionable), but it seems pretty clear at least Sciel and Lune are the same as they once were (I mean those two seem pretty happy and content with the state of Lumiere in this ending). Regardless, all the Gestrals, Grandis, and the GOAT Esquie do still exist and deserve to not have their world erased. So once again, can't agree with Verso's ending at all.

The one last thing is Verso's tired soul. Now here's the thing. I do think it's unfair to force Verso's soul to continue painting if he doesn't want to. But at the same time, one fragment of a "God's" lingering soul does not trump the right for the world and all it's people to exist. It just doesn't. If the entire world's fate rests on this boy continuing to paint, then I'm sorry, he's gotta keep painting. But even then, the soul repeatedly states he wants the people in the Canvas to live. Now some say Maelle's ending ruins this soul's life, but I do think the boy she's with in her ending is Verso's soul itself now with a fixed body (Although I admit this is unconfirmed). In conclusion of my very long rant, I do ultimately think while Maelle's ending isn't a good one and it's still unknown just how much of Lumiere is and is not real after their resurrections, it's definitely the lesser of two evils and at least gives a chance for the most amount of happiness to be achieved. While yes, it's possible Aline may try to enter the painting again and Renoir may still try to destroy the canvas, at least that world has a chance in Maelle's ending. Verso's ending just has him kill everyone after all the hardships and is then like "Hey look, the Dessendre's are kinda maybe sorta gonna be ok", while then also having everyone ignore Maelle and leave her alone like she always feared, with a now doubled sense of grief over losing everyone in Lumiere.

So yeah... I rambled. I'm curious if anyone agree's with me or disagrees with me and am curious what ending people picked.
 
I chose Verso's and after watching Maelle's, I like Verso's more because I think its more tragic and bittersweet
 
Should I do the side quests as I find them or save them all for after I finish the game (if that is even possible)? I heard that doing side quests early kind of ruins later fights
 
Thiag125 said:
Should I do the side quests as I find them or save them all for after I finish the game (if that is even possible)? I heard that doing side quests early kind of ruins later fights
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As you find them, some get locked after certain points of the game
 
Some power scaling stuff
While it's undeniable that the Painters are bare minimum Low Multiversal considering the Canvas' have separate time-spaces, to what extent the characters actually scale to it is debatable. Renoir and Aline have verbatim stated they've created hundreds of canvas', meaning they're easily Low Multiversal bare minimum at their peaks, but by the time we fight them in-game, they're very weakened. Renoir and Aline have exhausted themselves, fighting for 67 Years, with Aline's mentality being extremely broken by this point. As well, Aline has had most of her Chroma nerfed and is basically a shell of her full power. However she does "Rip reality apart" for one of her attacks, so it's quite possible she still just scales to these Low Multiversal levels even when heavily weakened. Renoir acquired almost all of the Canvas' Chroma for his boss fight, but he's still super tired, so how much of a nerf he received is up to debate. But considering he was able to repaint all four Axons for his Final Boss, he maybe is close to his full power?

All I know is that Act 3 Expeditioners definitely scale fully to Renoir. I mean Maelle used a pretty basic ass skill to interrupt his final attack, piercing him into the ground. And well, Verso is equal to Maelle in a 1v1 considering either of them can win that fight. So Expeditioners can scale to Painters
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Some power scaling stuff
While it's undeniable that the Painters are bare minimum Low Multiversal considering the Canvas' have separate time-spaces, to what extent the characters actually scale to it is debatable. Renoir and Aline have verbatim stated they've created hundreds of canvas', meaning they're easily Low Multiversal bare minimum at their peaks, but by the time we fight them in-game, they're very weakened. Renoir and Aline have exhausted themselves, fighting for 67 Years, with Aline's mentality being extremely broken by this point. As well, Aline has had most of her Chroma nerfed and is basically a shell of her full power. However she does "Rip reality apart" for one of her attacks, so it's quite possible she still just scales to these Low Multiversal levels even when heavily weakened. Renoir acquired almost all of the Canvas' Chroma for his boss fight, but he's still super tired, so how much of a nerf he received is up to debate. But considering he was able to repaint all four Axons for his Final Boss, he maybe is close to his full power?

All I know is that Act 3 Expeditioners definitely scale fully to Renoir. I mean Maelle used a pretty basic ass skill to interrupt his final attack, piercing him into the ground. And well, Verso is equal to Maelle in a 1v1 considering either of them can win that fight. So Expeditioners can scale to Painters
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Problem here is that neither Aline or Renior have the energy needed to instantly destroy the canvas with their raw power after the fight so while the reality ripping is impressive its on a much smaller scale than if she were able to do so across the full universe of the canvas. They make it quite evident that neither is close to their peaks where they could've just wiped the universe with no issue or else Renoir would have simply done so himself by the end after Aline had been forced from the painting.
 
Thiag125 said:
Should I do the side quests as I find them or save them all for after I finish the game (if that is even possible)? I heard that doing side quests early kind of ruins later fights
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Just play on expert where everything can kill you in 1-2 hits

Makes even the easiest bosses a pain in the ass in the fun way
 
Dalesean027 said:
Problem here is that neither Aline or Renior have the energy needed to instantly destroy the canvas with their raw power after the fight so while the reality ripping is impressive its on a much smaller scale than if she were able to do so across the full universe of the canvas. They make it quite evident that neither is close to their peaks where they could've just wiped the universe with no issue or else Renoir would have simply done so himself by the end after Aline had been forced from the painting.
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Very true
 
What's the best not tier 2~1 shit from the game obviously we have the Axons which are like 8-A to 7-C but outside of that the paintress is maybe what 7-C to High 7-C via sheer size and with her own KE shit, the one Axon carrying the town should also be decent but otherwise the only other thing I can think of is this
 
Question. Do we plan on giving Painters a separate key for outside the canvas? Cause even though they're basically regular humans outside it, they are able to use Chroma since they can create canvas, showing they and likely the Writers have some powers even while not in their created worlds. Though if not maybe a separate tab to show what powers they have even while outside?
 
SilentLyfe said:
Question. Do we plan on giving Painters a separate key for outside the canvas? Cause even though they're basically regular humans outside it, they are able to use Chroma since they can create canvas, showing they and likely the Writers have some powers even while not in their created worlds. Though if not maybe a separate tab to show what powers they have even while outside?
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Chroma is pretty much specific to the canvases (and that its suppose to be a sort of metaphysical fundamental building block of a canvas). So no I wouldn't say they have anything beyond like creation/law manip/potential plot manip the real world (that has no real application for real world related stuff since its exclusive to making a Canvas)
 
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Should still be seperated regardless it is relevant enough having the creation and hax outside of the painting so yes it needs a different Key
 
Another feat we could use is…
It is possible for the Expeditioners to parry Simon’s Light Speed attack. You just need to find how fast they move their weapons in relation to Simon’s speed and then find the KE of that. It should produce solid results

Because that should be like Relativistic KE
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Another feat we could use is…
It is possible for the Expeditioners to parry Simon’s Light Speed attack. You just need to find how fast they move their weapons in relation to Simon’s speed and then find the KE of that. It should produce solid results

Because that should be like Relativistic KE
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Well that wouldn't really qualify tbh for KE no equivalent destruction and no actual stuff from the KE qualifier pages
 
Dalesean027 said:
Problem here is that neither Aline or Renior have the energy needed to instantly destroy the canvas with their raw power after the fight so while the reality ripping is impressive its on a much smaller scale than if she were able to do so across the full universe of the canvas. They make it quite evident that neither is close to their peaks where they could've just wiped the universe with no issue or else Renoir would have simply done so himself by the end after Aline had been forced from the painting.
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Another thing to note is that they must create multiple universe (canvases) at the same time to make it work for more than Low 2-C. They don't paint multiple canvases in one instance but one by one.
 
Didn't even know this existed
Dalesean027 said:
What's the best not tier 2~1 shit from the game obviously we have the Axons which are like 8-A to 7-C but outside of that the paintress is maybe what 7-C to High 7-C via sheer size and with her own KE shit, the one Axon carrying the town should also be decent but otherwise the only other thing I can think of is this
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The Fracture but I don't know if it's even possible to calculate, there's also a Nevron who's bigger than a mountain the Yellow Harvest but that needs to be calced
 
Thought I remember posting on the thread, but there is confirmation that Clair Obscur will be an entire franchise; with Expedition 33 simply being the first entry. But yeah, even Naoki Hamaguchi, the director of FFVII Rebirth praised it and called it "RPG perfection." Even hinting that Final Fantasy 17 should basically take lessons from it.
 
Renoir has an attack where he creates a black hole (it’s even called a black hole by the in game text). Would this qualify as a black hole according to our rules. It absorbs the surrounding chroma and grows in size as it does so, it appears to also have an event horizon (I’m assuming that’s what that outer ring is)
 
Some thoughts on Tier 2 stuff and who and how scales



Despite the fact that Renoir is stated to be weakened by fighting Aline, I don't think it cancels his Tier 2 scaling, not only does Alicia state that it won't stop him for long, which by itself implies that he isn't severely weakened and can still nuke the Canvas, when they go to the in between world Alicia says that Renoir will nuke the Canvas the moment she leaves which is arguably what happens within Verso's ending but it's debatable whether or not it was caused by Verso's soul not painting anymore or Renoir, but I think this by itself is sufficient enough to claim he should still be Tier 2.

You also have the fact that Renoir and Alicia fighting can cause another Fracture which can break the world apart as Verso says, the 'world' he refers is the Canvas itself, as moments later he says "our world carries your families grief" which should obviously be referencing the Canvas, not to mention that post-ACT 2 reveal everyone refers to the Canvas as simply a 'world'.

Also, Alicia can create a replica of the outside world inside the Canvas which should be at least universal based on the fact that the Canvas world is stated to be a mirror of it.

Now, the Canvas itself can be 2-C given it can contain said replica of the outside world + Endless Tower has it's own Canvas with it's own set of laws and starry sky, so entirety of Canvas can be 2 to possibly 3 universes.
 
So new feat from the Thank You DLC



And any member of the party can Gradient Counter the move.

This could potentially be from 5B to low 1-C for every party member depending on if
it is destroying the Planet of Lumiere or the entire Canvas itself

YouTube link if not clear enough
 


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Clean unleashed gave us another black hole feat similar to Renoir. Monoco ******* smashes it like he’s dedede
 
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