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Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Discussion
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Finally lol been watching the wiki for interest for a good while
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Been waiting, because the whole series is a powerscaler’s wet dream.
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I'm not done with the game yet but I'm pretty decently into ACT 2 so far though as of where I'm at the characters are 8-C to High 8-C and MHS+
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Oh brother, you are in for something when you are done with Act 2.
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I've not beaten but I'm decently into Act 2 so far I'm seeing High 8-C to 8-B featwise as of right now (there was some darkness boss but that turned the whole sky black but thats not really AP applicable unfortunately)
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Oh shit without a doubt the Visage Axon is like 8-A ~ low 7-C featwise so that's neat
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For those post Act 2:
Would Gradient Attacks/Counters count as Dura Neg? They are shown to basically isolate regular space-time and can only be countered by Gradient Abilities and Gradient Users are basically untouchable by those without it like Gustave in the end of Act 1 who couldn’t scratch an inch of Renoir.
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Where are you getting the space time stuff from and no its not dura neg? I've not seen that stated once
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Ummm
so low 2-C paintress? She paints the world into existence if I'm understanding right
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Its basically the Renoir and Paintress fights. Attacking a higher dimensional being and countering her space-time attacks.
Monoco and Verso at the first paintress fight saying outright “Our Gradient Attacks should Work” later implies that anything that isn’t a Gradient based attack or counter can’t do actual damage to anyone Axon level and above.Obviously for gameplay reasons most regular attacks work mid fight.
Monoco and Verso at the first paintress fight saying outright “Our Gradient Attacks should Work” later implies that anything that isn’t a Gradient based attack or counter can’t do actual damage to anyone Axon level and above.Obviously for gameplay reasons most regular attacks work mid fight.
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Possibly higher
The Dessendre Family and the Painters/Writers treat the Canvases as fictional in nature and actually need to paint into reality a faux body via chroma into existence to interact with the Canvas residents which is clear higher dimensionality and even lesser skilled Painters like Maelle who chose to stop painting to focus on Books and the True Verso who abandoned painting to focus on music are capable of destroying Canvases with ease. 2-C will be an outright disservice.
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The world is god’s minecraft world and god died. So god’s father and mother were basically fighting each other inside because god’s mother doesn’t want to move on.
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By what evidence are we giving them HDE here
and for the paintress the blast that fire out after she rips reality apart aren't direct applicable to be any kind of "space-time" attack as you call it, her tearing a whole in reality is space manip (no time manipulation since we have no evidence of it affecting time) but we have no clue what the blast that come out of it are composed of to directly say its space that they are parrying
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Have you read past the Epilogue? I rather not spoil. The Epilogue is after Act 2
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Nope defeating the paintress was the last thing I did last night
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I'd say yeah its decent
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Bump
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Yeah I beat the game a few weeks ago the crew is solidly like 8-C to High 8-C in Act 1, they end Act 2 and 3 at like 8-A to 7-C Via Axon ***** (there are weather feats kinda for some of the bosses but we can't really say those scale to physicals without further proof).
No one scales to the full power of the painters since the whole premise of the game is them being heavily weakened by their battle in the painting and that Renoir can't just nuke the painting anymore after his prolonged stay fighting against Aline but otherwise at full power its safe to put the Dessendre Family at low 2-C via creation and when withing the paintings (maybe at worst 4-A if we can't prove its a full universe in size)
No one scales to the full power of the painters since the whole premise of the game is them being heavily weakened by their battle in the painting and that Renoir can't just nuke the painting anymore after his prolonged stay fighting against Aline but otherwise at full power its safe to put the Dessendre Family at low 2-C via creation and when withing the paintings (maybe at worst 4-A if we can't prove its a full universe in size)
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In prologue in lumiere during gustave's sister's speech it's referred to as a universe and against a gestral merchant it is also referred to as a universe.
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Also after beating act 2 and starting epilogue I think
outside the Canvas could maybe be 1-A, but no one inside of the painting would scale to the outside ofc and that Renoir's and Aline's fighting seems to be done inside the Canvas as manifestations so there's not any anti feats I can think of so far. 1-A mostly because in one instance during camp scene where "renoir" and "alicia" appear everything is described as just being ink, and that everything is just a dream and nonexistence. But like there could be bad anti feats later on maybe
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As long as painting world qualifies as 'base reality', i think there is a good chance for 1-A. The painters and manifestation things are clear, only broken boy/verso's soul would need extra explanation as it is bound to the painting in a way where if he doesnt paint soul dissapears. For speed: in simon fight it literally says "simon attack with speed of light" so SoL or FTL seems fine
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Why would it be the base reality when it didn't come first, we know the real world was first and that they've painted many worlds before
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The base reality isn't determined by what was created first as then that'd mean any verse with R>F where the lower world was created wouldn't qualify at all. The base reality would be inside of painting world since that's where the majority of the story takes place and what we were introduced to first (and that the whole painting stuff was only a later reveal).
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Gradient Attacks seem pretty broken, they’re basically attacking in stopped time & can be countered by Gradient Counter
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Where are we getting stopped time from?
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what would we classify gommage as?existence erasure? could it also be void manipulation kind of?
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Definitely some form of EE since they are being erased "gommage" in french literally means to erase or scrub so yeah they are being erased from the canvas
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I think EE on some sort of metaphysical level is probably appropriate considering painting stuff, each canvas having their own laws/rules as said in Endless Tower, and chroma being necessary for existence of anything that belongs to the canvas.
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since gommage skill deals void damage(and void being a general element for weapons/skills) would it in be ee+void manip?or is that void stuff just nominal and wouldn't really give vm
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Outside of naming conventions we can't really speak on what void damage entails tbh but it could work as a likely or possibly on the ability
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Everything going black & white is a pretty good indicator of time stop in this game
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Not doubting that there is time stop but you're gonna need more than this alone to say all these characters have time manipulation and resistance via Gradient Strikes
