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Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Cosmology
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Imo that just removes BDE type 3. But they would still get 1-A through R>F and some hax like Reality Wrapping, Creation, Death & Soul manipulation, Existence Eraser etc. For canvas just being pocket dimensions, bro that's literally the whole point of this CRT to prove that they're lesser realities for painters not just pocket dimensions
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I would say that their avatars which are Curator and Paintress would be low 2-C inside of painting because of them being able to control pure chroma and erase entire canvas. 2-C would be for their real selves yeah.
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It doesn't remove BDE Type 3. Expedition 33 qualifies for it.Imo that just removes BDE type 3. But they would still get 1-A through R>F and some hax like Reality Wrapping, Creation, Death & Soul manipulation, Existence Eraser etc. For canvas just being pocket dimensions, bro that's literally the whole point of this CRT to prove that they're lesser realities for painters not just pocket dimensions
Kirito is a false equivalence because the virtual reality in SAO isn't really fictional comparatively to the real world in SAO which is demonstrated by how in-game effects can have permanent effects on your real life self. The entire premise of the original SAO was that people got trapped in the virtual reality world and would die IRL if their game characters died in the game because of some stuff they did with the VR headsets. The VR itself in SAO is basically just some advanced neurotech that hijacks your brain signals and stuff. Saying that SAO is a reality layer beneath Kirito is like saying your brain signals and nervous system are a reality layer beneath you in real life.
In expedition 33, meanwhile, there is very clearly two distinct layers of reality. And the canvas reality has no bearing on the real life figures. They are nothing more than avatars puppeteered by a higher consciousness. And if they die in a canvas they can just come right back if they want. They could also destroy the entire canvas from the real world if they want to. Since it's just paint.
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good catch
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Hm.
The thing is I don't recall an actual Low 2-C feat inside of the canvas?
Like yes controlling Chroma gives you pretty much unlimited control over the canvas itself, but do you have evidence to support that they can actually destroy/significantly affect the whole canvas universe at once?
---Oh nvm actually. The world itself being sustained by Verso's avatar painting it is probably enough for Low 2-C.
I think the OP should be changed though because nobody should scale to a 2-C rating. The "hundreds of canvas worlds" refers to the many canvases they made in the real world, I think. They are already 1-A.
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I added that 2-C rating for just in case if 1-A is not accepted so they would be still 2-C.
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oh btw even then it would only be Low 2-C. Since it isn't hundreds at once, but over time. They probably only make one at a time.
(this is lowkey irrelevant though cause it's blatant 1-A)
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If a world is described as "Parallel" to something that is clearly a Universe, then the "Parallel world" statement is typically a universe by default. Using the Universe page.
- If there is shown to be a collection of multiple alternate worlds/dimensions that are either stated to be parallel and/or there are visual depictions resembling each of those worlds/dimensions to be metaphorically similar to each other (Such as bubbles or other structures that appear similar in size), and most importantly, at least one of those individual worlds/dimensions has shown enough evidence to consider them a Universe level+ sized spacetime continuum, then the conclusion is to consider all of those individual worlds/dimensions universes and that the entire collection is a multiverse.
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I mean, there are plenty, Alicia creating a full replice of the outside world for Lune inside the Canvas, Verso and Alicia fracturing The Canvas in the final fight, Osquio destroying the world(Canvas)
Dunno if this is appropriate to discuss rn since it's a cosmology CRT though.
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There were multiple canvas in the background here. So maybe it was not one at a time + the only reason renoir wanted to destroy verso's canvas was because of aline being addicted to it, but for other canvas it wouldn't be the case so I don't think there would be any reason to destroy previous canvas for creating new canvas.
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I'm saying that they only drew on one canvas at a time rather than creating multiple of them simultaneously which is the requirement for 2-C. Them having multiple canvases in the background doesn't prove simultaneous creation.
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Where is the requirement that the universes have to be created simultaneously?
The Tiering System says 2-C is for characters who can "significantly affect, create and/or destroy small multiverses composed of two to a thousand separate space-time continuums, or an equivalent". The Universe page also says creation/destruction of multiple timelines or space-time continuums is ranked between 2-C and 2-A depending on the quantity involved. The criteria there is about whether the continuums are separate and whether they qualify as substantial 4D structures. I don't see anything stating that all of them must be created at the same moment.
For example, if a character creates Universe A and later creates Universe B, they've still created two separate space-time continuums. So why would we suddenly stop counting one of them because they weren't made simultaneously.
So, the relevant question would be whether each canvas is its own universe not whether multiple canvases were being painted at the exact same time.
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overtime universe creation just never counted for anything higher than low 2-c. I dont think this matters anyways when it involves 1-A no need to be hung up on it
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Alright
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Wasn't that literally Renior's plan?, he was going to nuke the canvas originally but he battle with Aline weakened him and caused the fracture so he no longer had the power to do so
Regardless this CRT is fine by me
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Are we done yet?
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2 votes needed for 1-A
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As far as I know, the 1-A CRT requires 3 votes and only 1 administrator; 2 staff members have already voted "agree." Why don't you ask DarkDragon about that?
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Only Dalesean have agreed with 1A so far? DDM is neutral. Phoenks is FC/OC admin so idt that counts.
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Oh, I thought Phoenks was an administrator of VSBW, that's why I thought there were already 2 votes.
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Since this happens twice and that too recently I am gonna quote MSahla:
You can only count those with blue badge with the "VS Battles" on it. Of course excluding Content Mods, Translator Mods and Image Helper.
If they have Jokes Battles badge (Purple) or FC/OC Battles (Green similar to Administrator), you can't count their vote as a staff vote, as they're basically not a VS Battles Wiki staffs, which is the Blue one. You can only count their votes just like a normal members, a.k.a like a blue name dudes.
To put it in funny way:
Blue + Green = Yes
Blue + Red = Yes
Green + Green = No
Purple + Green/Red = No
So from now, you know it.
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The 1-A stuff seems fine. I think treating all canvas as L2-C is a bit of a stretch though. Unless multiple canvas are shown to be that size and are not treated as special compared to other canvas, a "Varies, upto L2-C" would be better.
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Btw this verso's canvas was created by him when he was a kid, so idt it would be a stretch to say adult and experienced painters would be able to create low 2-C canvases.
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Bump
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The 1-A stuff is funnily enough the least controversial aspect of the CRT since the r>f here is just that blatant. As for the Low 2-C stuff, I buy the argument that the canvas is universe sized since there's a whole ass cosmo outside of just the continent. Esquie has dialogue saying he and Verso flew into space which proves the skies we see while we're in Lumiere isn't fake.
So yeah, I agree with the proposal.
So yeah, I agree with the proposal.
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