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Truuuuuu.I'm pretty sure that's a cloud parting feat before he splits the thing, actually.
Is that from the Cyclone stuff Crono uses?That's cool and all but you forgot the acrobatics???
I tried to calc it but is only 9-B, and that's only with the game version, animated one is inconsistent asf about proportions and distances.
Him and Magus are easily Top 1 characters both not gonna lie.FROG MY GOOOOOAT
Looks reasonable.Stuff I plan to do:
Remove that asinine Low 2-C scaling applied to everyone because of reasons I listed here. Make keys for characters for their Early/Mid/Late Game selves Make better tabbers for equipments. Make tabber for Elements for Chrono Cross characters. Discuss Radical Dreamers stuff. Make Lavos' profile better than it already is (as I know it's pretty incomplete so far lol) Discuss the speed ratings of the verse.
Some stuff about CT I forgot:Truuuuuu.
Also, for Chrono Trigger I found interesting stuff:
This is not even getting onto Lavos. The guy has for himself:
- A lot of the fodders being generally 9-C (which I'll ignore coz otherwise I'll flood the thing).
- Yakra (the first actual boss) making an Earthquake
- Crono and Lucca beating up the Dragon Tank
- The trio beating the Guardian, which even caused an earthquake after its destruction
- This unusually large T-Rex
- Giga Gaia being another giant (who also uses a relatively large fire explosion)
- Ice II being a thing (it's also implied from the Nintendo Guide that the ice is straight up created). And yes, Magic is described as an inner strenght and is used as one of the parameters of damage, meaning that it's some UES-like thing.
Gonna get on Cross stuff later.
- Bombarding the Earth's surface with tons of explosions (the og Narutoforums calc is heinous coz it uses an ernlarged Earth, this vid has it right lol)
- The Mammon Machine draws power from Lavos, with it being the new energy source of the kingdom, with Lavos not getting weakened at all from this. Lavos is also implied to be the reason why it is floating in the sky, especially when at its awakening it literally destroys the Kingdom, making it fall to the ocean.
- Lavos absorbing the Earth's energy for over 65'000'000 years (adding also 1999 so it's 65'001'999 years lol), evidence in both Trigger (here, here and here) and Cross (here, here and here)
- Is the meteor that landed on the Earth 65 million years ago, causing the Ice Age.
I don't really agree with scaling it to the top speed, as it literally becomes Immeasurable shortly-after (unless it's for base Lavos tiers, given that he logically should be able to do that as he has in his DNA also the Black Omen).the Epoch does have a speed calc used eons ago
Didn't agree with it being applied as it was before but I guess they do just react to it's attacks moving faster than it and outright have the wherewithol to jump on top of it as it's flying by, so maybe?
World map stuff is one of the first examples of invalid stuff listed in our Game Mechanics pageI don't really agree with scaling it to the top speed, as it literally becomes Immeasurable shortly-after (unless it's for base Lavos tiers, given that he logically should be able to do that as he has in his DNA also the Black Omen).
Its base speed can go across the globe in 13-14 seconds though.
World map stuff is one of the first examples of invalid stuff listed in our Game Mechanics page
I think I am done with compiling the feats. You can see by yourself all of these and discuss which ones are worth of a calc or not (if they're valid that is).Stuff
I wouldn't consider this a full-on EQ but it might be doable as a shaking feat- remind me, they're in a church, right? Maybe I could assume they're shaking the whole thing.
Same as above but idk if this'd even scale to its death, to be safe I'd prefer the Yakra feat.
- The trio beating the Guardian, which even caused an earthquake after its destruction
Generally size stuff is gonna give like, 9-A at most so I'll disregard it.
9-A probs
NGL I don't actually know if the party scales to Magus at this point in the story, they need Excalibur's powernull to beat him and he's comparable to them much later into the game. I would tentatively consider the UES acceptable though.
- Ice II being a thing (it's also implied from the Nintendo Guide that the ice is straight up created). And yes, Magic is described as an inner strenght and is used as one of the parameters of damage, meaning that it's some UES-like thing.
Probably tier 6, aye.Bombarding the Earth's surface with tons of explosions (the og Narutoforums calc is heinous coz it uses an ernlarged Earth, this vid has it right lol)
There's a High 6-B calc for that, it treats the map as the entirety of the planet so idk if it's viable but it could possibly be redone using the mountains.
- The Mammon Machine draws power from Lavos, with it being the new energy source of the kingdom, with Lavos not getting weakened at all from this. Lavos is also implied to be the reason why it is floating in the sky, especially when at its awakening it literally destroys the Kingdom, making it fall to the ocean.
Idk if this'd scale to his physicals
Causing an ice age is something like High 6-C, granted that's the temperature change, not lifting up clouds or whatever. Honestly I'd probably just treat Lavos as comparable to the Chicxulub meteor given that it caused the extinction of the dinosaurs in the CT world (and caused long-lasting climate changes just like the IRL meteorite).
Between it being from a guide (I think?) and relatively vague idk about being so hot, but even just using normal temperatures this should give a tier 8-ish resultSome stuff about CT I forgot:
- Ayla getting a nice LS feat (I think Robo can scale given that generally him and Ayla have even the highest Strength stat initially iirc. This also should apply to people like Crono/Lucca/Marle after the Dimensional Vortex given they got a giant-ass boost that allowed them to hold on the Dream Devourer)
All 9-C
- Serge can destroy human skulls and human spines, and Kid can do both the former and latter with less effort.
- Serge can KO a goblin from giving an headbutt so hard that it also takes off some teeth. Kid on the other hand can make a goblin scared of her with just a kick.
- Serge can survive morningstars slammed on his body.
Are goblins human-sized?
EE as AP is currently being discussed
- Sunflower Kid can use Phamtom BREAK, a spell that erased in nothingness an entire manor and the area around it (I think that unlike the previous feats this should be only hax, given it took a lot of time to get prepared, and needed to channel a lot of magic to use it).
Chrono Cross:
9-B-ish
Probably decent result
That's weirdly really hard to calculate since you don't see any curvature. I guess I could do it using the height of the atmosphere as radius, given that the explosion is circular-ish
- Meteorite and MeteorShower (self-explanatory tbh).
- Harle can make a Lunar Eclipse.
Dunno about standards here, JRPGs are weird in the regard that obviously you're not causing the destruction the attacks show, but the BH standards kinda require that to happen
Light, photons and lasers are all brought up in rapid succession so it should be fine
- PhotonRay and PhotonBeam are SoL attacks.
Just standard Low 7-B storm stuff, no need for a calc
I'd like more detail for this to be creation rather than just a cool effect
They're all introduced from the DS version. Plus they are just in-detail version of what happens already in the game, so yeah, they're canon.These animation things are canon, right? Cause that's a good feat.
A cathedral actually.I wouldn't consider this a full-on EQ but it might be doable as a shaking feat- remind me, they're in a church, right?
You mean Masamune*. And I can see your point given that Magus uses high-end Tech which the party learn pretty later on. Though there's Ice I if you want to.NGL I don't actually know if the party scales to Magus at this point in the story, they need Excalibur's powernull to beat him and he's comparable to them much later into the game. I would tentatively consider the UES acceptable though.
The map is 100% the whole of the planet, but I disagree with using just 2 km as the height is weeeeell above the clouds, and I'd use 10 km here. I think it'll get 6-A.There's a High 6-B calc for that, it treats the map as the entirety of the planet so idk if it's viable but it could possibly be redone using the mountains.
Yes. Plus Serge always potrays them as comparable in height to him when fighting them.Are goblins human-sized?
I think it's just a JRPG thing rather than an invalidation of the black hole, given that gravity is one of the main points of the Black Innates, and visually it even warps space.Dunno about standards here, JRPGs are weird in the regard that obviously you're not causing the destruction the attacks show, but the BH standards kinda require that to happen
To be fair, the user shifts the combatants to a different space, then creates the starry background and destroys it.I'd like more detail for this to be creation rather than just a cool effect
I'd do the same, yes.Causing an ice age is something like High 6-C, granted that's the temperature change, not lifting up clouds or whatever. Honestly I'd probably just treat Lavos as comparable to the Chicxulub meteor given that it caused the extinction of the dinosaurs in the CT world (and caused long-lasting climate changes just like the IRL meteorite).
About that, given that's treated as a heat thing and it's her strongest attack, I'd say it's fine.Between it being from a guide (I think?) and relatively vague idk about being so hot, but even just using normal temperatures this should give a tier 8-ish result
Tech isn't really what specifically concerns me, it's just that to fight him you have to bring the weapon that weakens him (to the point that even being near it hurts him, given he cowers if he's in the party when Frog unlocks its true power) and still have to strike his elemental weaknesses, plus he meant to 1v1 Lavos (he obviously loses that fight badly later on but still he feels confident in fighting it after seeing the party get stomped) and can 1v1 Frog (Or fight the whole party if Frog isn't there) much later into the game despite the fact that he got his shit slonked by Lavos.You mean Masamune*. And I can see your point given that Magus uses high-end Tech which the party learn pretty later on. Though there's Ice I if you want to.
If it is then maybe it's fine, honestly I feel like calculating the area it fell into is a high ball, not a lowball, especially given that it's made of four islands, and none of those islands look like they're anywhere near continent-sizedThe map is 100% the whole of the planet, but I disagree with using just 2 km as the height is weeeeell above the clouds, and I'd use 10 km here. I think it'll get 6-A.
I think it's just a JRPG thing rather than an invalidation of the black hole, given that gravity is one of the main points of the Black Innates, and visually it even warps space.
Mh, maybePlus it's not even the 1st time where strong asf attacks do not impact the battlefield in Cross, as UltraNova or this.
Is that said to be what's happening? Cause I looked up the attack and that's what the wiki says, but it didn't source itTo be fair, the user shifts the combatants to a different space, then creates the starry background and destroys it.
It's how it's the most interpreted to be fair, given it's only description is "all things are returned to nothingness", thus implying that's as the dimension was made out of nothing, it also gets returned to nothing.Is that said to be what's happening? Cause I looked up the attack and that's what the wiki says, but it didn't source it
About that, it depends on how the calcs end, because I'd like to make something like this for CT:Tech isn't really what specifically concerns me, it's just that to fight him you have to bring the weapon that weakens him (to the point that even being near it hurts him, given he cowers if he's in the party when Frog unlocks its true power) and still have to strike his elemental weaknesses, plus he meant to 1v1 Lavos (he obviously loses that fight badly later on but still he feels confident in fighting it after seeing the party get stomped) and can 1v1 Frog (Or fight the whole party if Frog isn't there) much later into the game despite the fact that he got his shit slonked by Lavos.
average ps1 rpgActually I have found now an actual good reason to explain why the feat is Low 2-C (or Low 1-C if we use the Temporal Dimensions stuff) instead of 4-A, now that I've mentioned the "return to nothingness".
Alright, for that I'll link this blog (which Ultima already approved back then when I've showed him) which explains in great detail the following things:average ps1 rpg
The main ones which are necessary are:I'll get to the calcs... probably
wut???Welp looks like Arceus is getting Type 2 Nonduality based on him being apparently unbound from every concept in verse
They seem to ignore Giratina and its world importance to the CRT and focusing on the part where I say the regular world it reflects is everything.wut???
ngl, if that how it is, there will be many get the power