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And while gathering info on the timelines, turns out I found two things.
Part of me wondered if I should do this on the Questions and Answers boards instead, because this is more of a pair of questions than a suggestion (I dislike making revisions without a significant ammount of evidence to back it up, but since I'm... Surprisingly neutral in my own thread this time, I thought why not).
First one is obvious, and I'm assuming it was just overlooked. DD not having Existence Erasure. No, not the BFR one. Just the whole erasing existences. Its main goal is textbook definition of erasing all of existence, so. Yeah.
Anyways, on to the more "question" part of this. We have an statement about Non-Existent space being present in the world (more like in Terra Tower is where this is said).
Originally I thought: "Meh. It's one single isolated statement in the whole series. This doesn't mean much and for all I know could be flowery."
But then, before that, there's another mention of said thing and also a term in-verse to label said space-times such as the depths of the Dead Sea - Res Nullius which are denied of all existence . They're also said to be completely different from space-time as it's understood, when the party enters one.
Still unconvinced of this idea, I went on to find... Another instance of non-existent stuff roaming around (well, besides Lavos influencing stuff all the way from the DBT).
These guys, who got like this for trying to get the frozen flame...
...And then we have the non-existent cast of the previous game as the worst offenders since Lucca outright states that they don't exist.
Now here's the thing. First one is that Miguel is all but stated to be non-existent as well.
You find him in the center of the Dead Sea, before the Frozen Flame, and he has a dialogue where he also offers you perpetual, unchanging stillness in this place . He is a part of the Res Nullius and offers you to join him in such a state of being, becoming a part of the world as well.
The party's answer ammounts to saying "Nope" and beating him up to correct the distortion, as he claimed this was the only other option. So yeah, the already non-existent Miguel gets erased from the Res Nullius while either FATE (not the word, the Supercomputer) or Schala going nuts through the Frozen Flame decides to nuke everything from who knows where, preventing Serge from getting the artifact. So the already non-existent place... Er... Vanishes from existence as well in an event that actually illustrates the bizarre phenomenon of nuking nothingness quite well, I guess.
Finally, there's also the fact that the party can punch the Time Devourer, who is about as existent as any of those timelines that were erased from existence to a point where they weren't allowed to ever come into existence either (see screens above).
Now here's the thing. Considering these occasions and the fact that Harle, who acts on behalf of Lavos and was a creation of his, is more than capable of fighting and beating Non-Existent beings as well as Serge pre-obtaining Frozen Flame, should this scale to Cross characters as being able to destroy Non-Existent beings/past non-Existence or am I reading too much into this? Obviously, no one from Trigger gets this.
The ones who would scale if yes, are: Lavos as the DD and the TD, Serge obviously. And that's it for the profiles we have.
Just for the record this would also scale to Harle, Kid and FATE/Dark Serge/Lynx if I (or Cal, I dunno) ever bothered to make profiles for them, as they are the ones canonically involved with the entire plot.
Part of me wondered if I should do this on the Questions and Answers boards instead, because this is more of a pair of questions than a suggestion (I dislike making revisions without a significant ammount of evidence to back it up, but since I'm... Surprisingly neutral in my own thread this time, I thought why not).
First one is obvious, and I'm assuming it was just overlooked. DD not having Existence Erasure. No, not the BFR one. Just the whole erasing existences. Its main goal is textbook definition of erasing all of existence, so. Yeah.
Anyways, on to the more "question" part of this. We have an statement about Non-Existent space being present in the world (more like in Terra Tower is where this is said).
Originally I thought: "Meh. It's one single isolated statement in the whole series. This doesn't mean much and for all I know could be flowery."
But then, before that, there's another mention of said thing and also a term in-verse to label said space-times such as the depths of the Dead Sea - Res Nullius which are denied of all existence . They're also said to be completely different from space-time as it's understood, when the party enters one.
Still unconvinced of this idea, I went on to find... Another instance of non-existent stuff roaming around (well, besides Lavos influencing stuff all the way from the DBT).
These guys, who got like this for trying to get the frozen flame...
...And then we have the non-existent cast of the previous game as the worst offenders since Lucca outright states that they don't exist.
Now here's the thing. First one is that Miguel is all but stated to be non-existent as well.
You find him in the center of the Dead Sea, before the Frozen Flame, and he has a dialogue where he also offers you perpetual, unchanging stillness in this place . He is a part of the Res Nullius and offers you to join him in such a state of being, becoming a part of the world as well.
The party's answer ammounts to saying "Nope" and beating him up to correct the distortion, as he claimed this was the only other option. So yeah, the already non-existent Miguel gets erased from the Res Nullius while either FATE (not the word, the Supercomputer) or Schala going nuts through the Frozen Flame decides to nuke everything from who knows where, preventing Serge from getting the artifact. So the already non-existent place... Er... Vanishes from existence as well in an event that actually illustrates the bizarre phenomenon of nuking nothingness quite well, I guess.
Finally, there's also the fact that the party can punch the Time Devourer, who is about as existent as any of those timelines that were erased from existence to a point where they weren't allowed to ever come into existence either (see screens above).
Now here's the thing. Considering these occasions and the fact that Harle, who acts on behalf of Lavos and was a creation of his, is more than capable of fighting and beating Non-Existent beings as well as Serge pre-obtaining Frozen Flame, should this scale to Cross characters as being able to destroy Non-Existent beings/past non-Existence or am I reading too much into this? Obviously, no one from Trigger gets this.
The ones who would scale if yes, are: Lavos as the DD and the TD, Serge obviously. And that's it for the profiles we have.
Just for the record this would also scale to Harle, Kid and FATE/Dark Serge/Lynx if I (or Cal, I dunno) ever bothered to make profiles for them, as they are the ones canonically involved with the entire plot.
