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Chinese Mythology CRT: Sun Wukong upgrade

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Continued from here: https://archive.vn/5n0f2

Also, I have suggested for Martial Arts, Danmaku and Possibly Reality Warping.

In Charper 4:
Though many hard−fought rounds prove inconclusive,

The prince [Ne Zha] refuses to call the battle off;
Making his six weapons multiply in number,
He throws them in their millions at the Monkey King's head,
But the Monkey King, fearless, roars with laughter
As his iron clubs whirl and think for themselves.
One becomes a thousand; one thousand, ten;
Their wild dance fills the sky as if with dragons.
In Charper 40:
The venerable elder still had no choice but to obey and whip his horse on. "I don't know where that damned monster is," thought Monkey. "He just keeps on shouting. I'll have to use separating magic to keep him and the master apart." The splendid Great Sage then called Friar Sand to him and said, "Lead the horse on slowly while I take a piss." Watch Monkey as he lets the Tang Priest get several paces ahead, says a spell to move
mountains and make land shrink, and points behind him with his cudgel. Once master and disciples were over the peak they would have left this demon behind.
Then, since it is the myth Wukong, it means that while the profile is mostly based on JttW, some pre-JttW Monkey Monster ("Sun Wukong" is the well-known name)'s feat can be also counted. Even in JttW, it is safe to assume that Wukong has some abilities even the low-class god could have such as possession, "disappearance and reappearance" (teleportation).
 
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Maybe it is better to call for someone who has participated in the previous discussion or involved in vs debate including Sun Wukong: @Ebitan34 @Greatsage13th . But I think it is necessary to call for some neutral user.
 

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guys here is the big change for wukong for all the feats and abilities found in the novel JTTW

overwrite his current profile with Udlmaster's proposal of sunwukong while also add his old abilities to the new.

his 2B tier should be removed as the 10^125 universes that was held in buddha's palm which he scale to doesn't exist in JTTW

He should have beyond dimensional existence type 1 and immortality type 9 when he gains buddhahood where the buddha states that their true forms exist beyond time itself.

sunwukong should be given large type 10 or 9 scaling to the buddha in buddhahood whom's palm held all of creation including the infinite dragon realms and space-time as well as viewing it as a piece of a fictional page which should make him low 1C

there is a possibility that wukong won't be bound by spatial temporal dimensions as he would be above all dual systems that are infinite in the verse which might include dimensions as one of the values in the dual system
 
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also Pan Gu from chinese mythology should be 1A as he broke the primordial chaos or egg or WUJI into taiji and refined Taiji to create the fundamental basis for Yin and Yang to form which is Transduality type 4 which bumps his tier to 1A

Edit:i know that this is a wukong CRT but i wanted to this in one go until i saw @Mariogoods made this CRT instead so i'll just put this one here
 

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@Kepekley23 @Monarch_Laciel

Are you also willing to help out here?

I think that we are supposed to get rid of our mythology pages in any case, so only the feats from Journey to the West itself would likely be acceptable.
 
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In my opinion, JttW Sun Wukong is and is only the arguably most famous portrayal. Pre-JttW Sun Wukong and some post-JttW Sun Wukong may arguably be included in the Myth Sun Wukong too. Before JttW, there are myths about "the monkey" (which have northern China version [focusing on Journey to the West mostly because historical Xuanzang's route to India] and southern China version [most of them focusing on "the monkey spirit" constantly kidnapping beauties and do something NSFW]). Journey to the West is considered as the collection of stories from those two monkey myth system. (Notably, JttW's author has turn the "monkey who always does something NSFW" in southern myth system to "monkey who knows anything NSFW but never does thing like his southern myth system "counterpart" on his own because of Immortality requirements")

After the JttW becomes well-known, Sun Wukong himself is accepted as deities. (But since it is religious in China... you can imagine their status nowdays) It is arguably that people in that time will treat Sun Wukong as he defeated the "religious" version of gods. (In Qing Dynasty, there are some Taoists who think so)

Even we abandon the connections around the JttW itself, there are many "religious words" referenced in JttW to describe characters. (And when Sun Wukong is threatening the whole Heaven, the poem which suggested his "beyond your power and abilities" is more reliable and gives Sun Wukong's defense in a higher level than we can see)

In a word, Sun Wukong's connection to other Chinese myth characters may be tighter than we thought.

There may be some mistakes in my statements above. However, I'll be off in this topic for some time due to real life affair.
 
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They don't seem to have participated in the forum yet, but I will ping them for you since notifications are not sent if regular users ping.
@SlimeDeity @Beezlebuth
 
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I personally feel it's better to yeet the myth pages first and then focus on whatever remains.
I don't know the detail of "mass deletion of myth profile" project, could someone introduce me that. (But even then, Sun Wukong should be kept for obvious reason. Even this revision gets rejected, Sun Wukong's profile should be upgraded because of lacking of abilities and proper abilities description) Personally, I feel sorry for those deleted profiles.
 
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Wukong's mid-godly regeneration in udlmaster's profile should be changed to high godly since the eight trigram furnace can melt conceptual entities into pills and wukong came back unaffected by it

But anyway I guess the profiles should be yeeted first
 

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See here for further information: https://archive.vn/mFZFv

Basically, mythology is usually far too inconsistent and fragmented to scale properly from, and it is recurrently hard to know where it ends and religion begins.
 

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As far as I have understood, they have contradictory myths, just like most other cases seem to have.
 

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Greek gods, as well as other gods from other religions, have multiple versions and interpretations of the same myths, written and created over the course of many years, varying from time and place. There's not an established timeline or "canon" version. However, just like JttW is a single book, maybe gods and characters from books like the Iliad and the Odyssey might be used.
 
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Im here, i've seen the stuff greatsage has about sunwukong and some of them seem reliable. Having shown me his statements of transcending time, some contenders for types of transdualities and omnipresence. It definitely needs a good working
 

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I personally feel it's better to yeet the myth pages first and then focus on whatever remains.
Perhaps we should wait with this revision until later and close this thread then?
 

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Man I am rather indifferent to mythology pages but the problems is that they have NO standards.

The Shinto Mythology pages I made back in the day are so lazy and unsourced they make me cringe.
 
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I was asked to come here, but I am unsure what is even going on. What is the main topic at hand here?
guys here is the big change for wukong for all the feats and abilities found in the novel JTTW

overwrite his current profile with Udlmaster's proposal of sunwukong while also add his old abilities to the new.

his 2B tier should be removed as the 10^125 universes that was held in buddha's palm which he scale to doesn't exist in JTTW

He should have beyond dimensional existence type 1 and immortality type 9 when he gains buddhahood where the buddha states that their true forms exist beyond time itself.

sunwukong should be given large type 10 or 9 scaling to the buddha in buddhahood whom's palm held all of creation including the infinite dragon realms and space-time as well as viewing it as a piece of a fictional page which should make him low 1C

there is a possibility that wukong won't be bound by spatial temporal dimensions as he would be above all dual systems that are infinite in the verse which might include dimensions as one of the values in the dual system
Wukong's mid-godly regeneration in udlmaster's profile should be changed to high godly since the eight trigram furnace is the origin of the concept of the eight trigrams and uses this concept to create the pills of immortality and wukong came back unaffected by it

But anyway I guess the profiles should be yeeted first
 

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Since we finished with the other thread, and decided to only allow mythology pages based on specific works, such as Journey to the West, I have reopened this discussion.
 

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I mean, no not really, the page needs to be remade based on only Journey to the West, original is deleted because it pulled from greater Buddhist mythos.
 

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Agreed. It should only be based on Journey to the West.
 
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