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OK. I might have to get my computer sent to a repairman to get some keys replaced soon, so that might be convenient.I'll respond maybe tomorrow night; I might not have internet for a day pretty soon.
It's still in discussionWhat are the conclusions here so far?
There doesn't need to have every statement. That's still a Destructive Capacity =/= Attack Potency. Also, not every energy yield has to go to the blast radius; sometimes, it goes more as specific temperature, heat capacity, ect as opposed to it spreading out. There's also Earthquakes/shockwaves not just fireball radius to take into account during an explosion that hits the ground.Not really. There's no evidence people can control the blast radius of magic.
Actually, DontTalkDT is actually going to bring up a lot of other facts about lightning at some point. It's actually possibly for lightning bolts to be very destructive just specific targets. Also, Tier 7 lightning bolts in fiction also actually are destructive in other areas; such as having a aforementioned shockwave that dispersed the very cloud that summoned it.Electricity dosn't focus on destruction anyways. They're different from explosions.
Kinetic Energy IRL actually would always have some effect; whether it be your fist sets on fire, a shockwave shakes the earth, ect. There would always be something if a Tier 7 meteor or punch hit the ground IRL. Also, meteors do either explode or cause an Earthquake IRL.OK. That's still more Kinetic Energy then actual destructive power. Explosions are not meteors.
I saw no contradictions, and "Other feats" aren't contradictions but just separate feats entirely. But the lore clearly states it became a volcanic wasteland due to a pillar of light, plain and simple.Maybe, but even that's contradicted at every possible opportunity.
That is a false equivalency. IRL Bombshells and Nukes don't have their AP come from the metal plating. It comes from the chemicals storing the Potential energy (Chemical energy specifically in this case). And heating up or pressuring the bomb shells causes them to combust and all it's potential energy/chemical energy turns into kinetic energy/thermal energy. But the chemical energy isn't AP until it all ignites meaning no durability feat for the metallic plating of bomb shells and what not. Similar to how Gasoline has 32 MJ/L of chemical energy, and it all becomes thermal energy when ignited. But no durability from all that. However, none of this applies to Javelins of Light and here's why.Not really. That's like saying a nuke is comparable to someone holding the metal used to make bombshells with gunpowder in their back pocket. Hell, Edelgard herself uses barrels of black powder explosives with her Gambit when using her default Battalion.
Also there's no evidence the Javelins are made of Agarhium.
I already ruled out every other possibility. It's either magic, Agarthium, or a combination of both. They're super powered Javelins launched by magic and not nuclear weapons launched with the click of a button. Especially since the latter has no reason to be invented yet. Also, being launched by magic is actually still a hint that it is amped by magic. You do realize the range of warp staves and rescue staves is correlated to the attack potency of all magic tomes in which it's superior whenever the caster has a higher magic power rating yes?I just realized, we never actually find out if the Javelins are magic at all. Sure, magic is used to fire them, but we literally never get confirmation that the Javelins themselves are magic.
who?I think we all know which former staff member turned Reddit troll we're talking about.
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No problem. I hope that you will recover completely soon.Also, a heads up, I'm a bit sick at the moment and had to call out of work today. So I can't respond too frequently atm.
Basically, Sothis was in Thinis, the Agarthans nuked Thinis, and she still stood.“In the land of Thinis, where the old gods are said to live, the False God has awakened. Its looming, heteromorphic vessel was resurrected to sink the world to the depths of the ocean. It will bring extinction to all children of men, and salvation to all beasts of the land, sky, and sea. For the children of men who spilled too much of the blood of life, it promises only cruel retribution.
”the False God must be defeated before the world sinks into a watery grave. To this end, the children of men have erected pillars of light upon the land. Thinis, Malum, Septen and Llium were utterly destroyed. Those lands have vanished from this world. Yet even still, the False God stands. And soon, a flood aptly named Despair will drown this world.
”The children of men fled to the depths of the earth, beyond the sight of the False God, beyond the embrace of the sacred sun, and beyond the reach of the waters of Despair. They swore a fervent oath of revenge against the surface world, ruled by beasts, and against their tormentor, the False God.”
That sounds more like an cherry pick tbh. There are plenty of characters up to Universe level or Multiverse level who allegedly don't consider themselves able to survive exploding planets or collapsing buildings. Also, it's common for a lot of really strong characters to not know the full extent of their own strength or just simply don't want to take even light risks. And some characters may be more threatened by the hazardous non breathable fumes commonly caused by those events rather than the force or impact. Plus, the fact that Byleth fought the strongest version of Rhea, when it was a severely weakened version of Rhea who carries the feats implies Byleth would upscale anyway.If we were to consider the Javelins an outlier in the first place, it would be due to the fact we (indirectly) scale Byleth (who is stated explicitly not to survive a JoL) to 2 of them, not due to gameplay stuff like Meteor
Yes, those are anti-feats. It's not PIS, it's something that can be used to legitimately argue that the characters should be rated lower depending on context.Well, the arguments about Javelins of Light and their nature is starting to become circular, so just going to focus on the consistency aspect and scaling shenanigans.
That sounds more like an cherry pick tbh. There are plenty of characters up to Universe level or Multiverse level who allegedly don't consider themselves able to survive exploding planets or collapsing buildings.
No indication of this. Byleth is literally an expert strategist, default assumption is not that they don't know their own power lolAlso, it's common for a lot of really strong characters to not know the full extent of their own strength or just simply don't want to take even light risks.
No indications of this.And some characters may be more threatened by the hazardous non breathable fumes commonly caused by those events rather than the force or impact.
No, it just makes the feat even more inconsistent.Plus, the fact that Byleth fought the strongest version of Rhea, when it was a severely weakened version of Rhea who carries the feats implies Byleth would upscale anyway.
Different verses different context, c'monIf other verses of the same genre can eventually jump from Tier 9 to Tier 2 by the same premise, there's no reason for going from soloing armies of Tier 7 soldiers then going from fighting on par with Tier 6 dragon gods to be controversial.
You can't argue consistency and then lowball the higher-end feat. Even then the difference between these is several hundreds of times at least.Causing the Valley of Torment. Done using "A single pillar of light", which pillars of light usually have 2 to 4 Javelins. Totality calculated at 6-C but lowballed assuming 10 Javelins used at 7-A?
The fact that the number is completely unknown means that the feat isn't really usable in this argument at all. Could have been 3, could have been 10000.The destruction of multiple countries and sinking them below the oceans. Used multiple Javelins and completely unknown. But assuming it took 100, still puts the result at High 6-C individually.
You sure? Cutting stuff in two tends to get pretty low results compared to destroying it.Sword of the Creator as a lore statement about cutting a mountain in half; Low 7-B on average.
Wasn't it agreed in some old thread that nobody should scale to prime Sothis?Prime Sothis floods the entire world. High 6-A for the true god tiers then, which is fairly reasonable all things considered.
If they have a 7-B feat for the shells, then that would mean Rhea could scale to that for destroying them, perhapsJust saying, but the Javelins of Light never sunk any countries, just destroyed them. Also, the Charon feat was completely debunked even in the support itself, where both Catherine and Lysithea themselves say that there is no evidence that their presence actually brings a thunderstorm. Also, I'm pretty sure that the JoL's had a 7-B Cloud Dispersion feat somewhere.
Again, "Anti-feats" are the most grossly misused term used on Vs Debating and this is a perfect example if it also being grossly misused. It is not to be mixed with "Non casual low end feat", and it's a statement not an anti-feat. It needs to be something that physically happened to be an anti-feat such as someone getting hit and dying from it. The fact that it was avoided before he got hit removes any "anti-feats" happening in the first place.Yes, those are anti-feats. It's not PIS, it's something that can be used to legitimately argue that the characters should be rated lower depending on context.
Expert strategist =/= omniscience. Also, being smart just means that even light threats are things that are unwanted. If a smart body builder doesn't want to get stung by a bee, does that make the body builder physically weaker than a bee?No indication of this. Byleth is literally an expert strategist, default assumption is not that they don't know their own power lol
All fires and explosions produce carbon monoxide poisoning and other similar chemicals. And nuclear explosions generate heavy levels of radioactivity. This is just common knowledge.No indications of this.
Accelerated Development and reactive power level. That is the answer. Byleth and Rhea were both signifigantly stronger than they were chapters ago. Plain and simple.No, it just makes the feat even more inconsistent.
Yes, I know this a lot more than most. But this isn't some 100+ authors who don't know how to separate fodder humans from top tier metahumans. Nor is this a non-fantasy modern warfare setting where all characters have mostly static realistic power levels and rely on technology to fight their battles for them. This is a fantasy setting where everybody grows stronger after every battle. Especially the main protagonists. I'm comparing to verses that literally do follow the same context 100%. Since when am I not allowed compare it to the very same verse?Different verses different context, c'mon
All feats are lowballed. Plain and simple.You can't argue consistency and then lowball the higher-end feat. Even then the difference between these is several hundreds of times at least.
You mean a weapon Agarthians have very seldom amounts of to begin with? That they only ever use as a last resort? It only makes smaller numbers far more likely.The fact that the number is completely unknown means that the feat isn't really usable in this argument at all. Could have been 3, could have been 10000.
Cutting a 2000 foot tall mountain in half; which is the international baseline for mountain as opposed to a hill. Is Low 7-B based on Bambu who I think calculated.You sure? Cutting stuff in two tends to get pretty low results compared to destroying it.
That was a long time ago. And back when we thought Prime Sothis was tier 2, but since we have no evidence of that and statements of Byleth being as strong as Prime Sothis due to the fact that he/she physically IS Prime Sothis.Wasn't it agreed in some old thread that nobody should scale to prime Sothis?
Yes, I worded that poorly. But it still destroyed the entire landmasses, not just the countries surfaces. The went from having multiple countries not appearing on world map. Imagine if someone nuked parts of Asia, to the point where it is now the size of Europe or Australia with a bunch of counties completely missing. That's basically the full context of the feat type albeit not quite the same level.Just saying, but the Javelins of Light never sunk any countries, just destroyed them.
I don't think I agreed?Also, JustSomeWierdo has been confusing me as of late. Not sure what his change in position is because he sort of agreed in the end Rhea should scale from Javelins but had different reasons for it from what I heard. Or at least that used to be his thoughts. Only curious, not judging.