Chaos (Castlevania) vs Arale (DBF)

[Theglassman12]

@Phsccarvalho theres no mention on the precog affecting type 4 Acausal beings so we don’t assume it does unless specified.

@Ss3micah erasing dimensional plane and coming back has no correlation to high godly regen anymore, that was the old version and it’s changed, and even then chaos is the literal antithesis to god, who existed prior to the creation of the worlds, so erasing the planes it exists in means nothing.

That doesn’t make her precog type 4 Acausal beings. Seeing through the plot means nothing when chaos functions on completely different laws from the human world. If she lacks the evidence on affecting type 4 acausals then she’s not precogging them, simple as that.

Having type 8 immortality means nothing if she has no feats of coming back from conceptual erasure, so she’s not coming back from that level of erasure.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Apparently nuking your dimensional plane neggs regen or something like that also from my void mundus crusade your non existent guy needs proof of being able to do anything when its dimensional plane is nuked, otherwise its incapped or dead or something like that

 

[Ss3micah]

@Ss3micah erasing dimensional plane and coming back has no correlation to high godly regen anymore, that was the old version and it’s changed, and even then chaos is the literal antithesis to god, who existed prior to the creation of the worlds, so erasing the planes it exists in means nothing.

Im not sure about that because last I heard (and that was up to a week ago) it was still a thing.

But anyways based on what I here, existing before the creation of the world or anything of the like has no impact on Dimensional Planes as dimensional planes are independent of creation/reality

You might really wanna call DT cause what Im hearing that even predating reality wont save you from dimensional nuking cause as DT mentions even the nothingness that existed before creation would get nuked along with the dimensional plain so Chaos predating reality wont save him if nothingness which predates reality also gets nuked.

And assuming it isn't Chaos cant do anything enter the 5th Dimensional Plane of existence so that means he just stays there are does nth. So this looking like an Incon

That doesn’t make her precog type 4 Acausal beings. Seeing through the plot means nothing when chaos functions on completely different laws from the human world. If she lacks the evidence on affecting type 4 acausals then she’s not precogging them, simple as that.

Does Chaos lack narrative or is it immune to the plot? Because if it isn't then Im not sure why where assuming with 100% confidence that something that clearly exists within the confines of the plot cant be seen inside the confines of the plot when your literally looking and what happens next in the plot. Acausal 4 doesn't cover plot resistance neither does running on alternate laws cover plot resistance as well.

And again, it's still a 4-D resistance due to Acausality being limited by dimensionality. A 5-D, 6-D, 13-D, 27-D, etc precog will work as Everything12 confirmed. Acausality 4 resistances dont grant you protection from higher dimensional Hax if your Acausality 4 resistances operates at a lower dimensional level. Again, Everything12 confirmed this

Having type 8 immortality means nothing if she has no feats of coming back from conceptual erasure, so she’s not coming back from that level of erasure.

The way her Immortal 8 works is dependent on the 5-D Avatar's that naturally are outside of Chaos range. They have the ability to redraw arale back into existence as they do all the time. Chaos' hax cant stop them from drawing if they please. They can do so to either spawn arale outside of Chaos' range (a 2-B range to be precise) or they can just draw her in the Author realm itself and they she just straight up spawns in there (which would be a Low 1-C range)

Unless chaos has some way to affect the Avatar's ability to draw...... then he ain't stopping them from respawning her
And yes I have checked.... Conceptual Erasure of a lower level doesn't stop an Immortal 8 if it operates on a higher level

 

[Ss3micah]

At best I see this being an Incon
Assuming that Chaos can act without the presence of the 4th dimensional plane of existence and arale just chills in the Author world outside of his range
Both cant kill each

Chaos cant reach the Author World and Arale cant interact with Conceptual Abstractions

So yeah, Incon

 

[Theglassman12]

@Ss3micah if you have any evidence Arale's capable of nuking literal nonexistence before the dawn of creation sure, but last time I checked she doesn't have anything that implies void manipulation, let alone nonexistent erasure, so her erasing

Precognition isn't plot manipulation, those two are completely separate abilities, and the former is tied to whatever cause and effect system it runs on, so yeah you'd need evidence on the precognition working on that level, especially when Arale's precognition isn't shown to be on a 5-D level so Chaos resists it easily.

The Type 8 immortality only grants her a way to stay alive but her regen caps at High-Mid going through both of her pages so she's not coming back from being erased, let alone conceptual erasure, but assuming she does have regen on that level, that's only narrative regen at best, not conceptual regen so she's still being incapped easily by Chaos' presence.

 

[Ss3micah]

@Ss3micah if you have any evidence Arale's capable of nuking literal nonexistence before the dawn of creation sure, but last time I checked she doesn't have anything that implies void manipulation, let alone nonexistent erasure, so her erasing

Last Time asked DT, Nonexistence still resides on dimensional plain as well. And nuking that dimensional plain automatically nukes that nonexistence as well.

To quote spaceman:
Besides all of that, they all have the weakness of being tied to their dimension. The nothingness of one dimension is not the nothingness of a higher dimension, so destroying their dimension can theoretically kill a nonexistent being unless their NEP covers that weakness.

To quote the NEP rule page:
A consequence of that is that feats or special reasoning are required for a character with this ability to survive the complete erasure of their plane of existence, as one needs to confirm that they are able to still display some existent properties on a different plane of existence.

Arale doesn't NUKE literal nonexistence. She nukes the literal plane of existence which THAT literal nonexistence resides on and consequently takes it out. Again there are degrees of nothingness and nuking a Dimension which a Nothingness resides on nukes that Nothing ness as well. DT has confirmed this which is why he states even NEP2 beings who exist at a state of being neither existing nor non-existing would be incapacitated by this. I dont need proof for what is essentially an objective standard. Even everything E12 agrees considering HERE he agreed that Nonexistence Physiology (beings made of Pure Nothingness) is nothing outside of Plot Manipulations ability to control.

Again, call DT to confirm it. He will confirm with you that if the Dimensional Plane is nuked then any and everything that resided on it gets nuked to oblivion. He confirmed as much to Delta on his Wall. So unless Chaos has special feats of surviving that then he gets Incapped.

Precognition isn't plot manipulation, those two are completely separate abilities, and the former is tied to whatever cause and effect system it runs on, so yeah you'd need evidence on the precognition working on that level, especially when Arale's precognition isn't shown to be on a 5-D level so Chaos resists it easily.

Arale's Precog is due to 4th Wall Hax.... 4th Wall Hax is 5-D. If you check her range section you would see that 4th Wall hax is mentioned to have Low 1-C range, that's because it's a 5-D ability. And it does work to a 5-D extent as she has used it numerous times to detect stuff across 5-D ranges and constantly uses it see what the 5-D Author Avatars are doing as well as see and detect stuff happening outside the boundaries of the plot.

The Type 8 immortality only grants her a way to stay alive but her regen caps at High-Mid going through both of her pages so she's not coming back from being erased, let alone conceptual erasure, but assuming she does have regen on that level, that's only narrative regen at best, not conceptual regen so she's still being incapped easily by Chaos' presence.

Again..... The Immortal 8 can be used can easily be used to respawn Arale outside of Chaos' 2-C range. The Author Avatar's ain't gonna draw her back in the same spot to be killed again. Instead they would draw her outside of Chaos 2-C range or just manifest her into the Author World itself. In doing either Arale would still have 2-A to Low 1-C range to do whatever but Chaos will be restricted to his 2-C range

 

[Ss3micah]

And yes, I had some character updates planned but those will have to wait since this Thread came at a really bad time
I would honestly prefer it be closed now
Put on hold
I can finish my updates
And we resume