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Strongest 2-C smurf (Dracula vs Xuan_Fang)

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Livinmeme said:
Essence isn't doing jackshit to plot manip, if it doesn't have any feats of affecting him, and incaping also works.
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bro what is up with you and glazing plot hax all the time

plot hax will just make it so that dracula is unable to lose but it won't affect chinaman because of 1-A existence
 
Robo432343 said:
No.
The plot won't work to incap him or kill him because 1-A time essence will not allow that
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Time essence hasn't showed feats of affecting plot, it won't stop against something that
A. Doesn't exist in his own verse
B. CAN'T INTERACT TO BEGIN WITH
 
Livinmeme said:
Essence could be tier 0, and it still wouldn't matter because it can't interact with plot manip, much less stop it
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im done
 
Dracula can't do shit to Xuan Fang due to multiple reasons, including a resistance to most of them (I have no idea where the 720 figure comes from) but doesn't have to actually deal with them since he can outpace them thanks to his own innate immeasurable speed, + the 1-A immortality + the type 4 so nothing changes, and no plot manip isn't overriding 1-A concept manip, doesn't even matter that Ergen doesn't have plot stuff (which I actually kinda doubt considering the description of some shit), it ain't doing shit to or against Essence fuckery
 
Livinmeme said:
Speed is equalized
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Bending is a technique that exists and Xuan Fang can use
Livinmeme said:
Immortality needs proves that you can regenerate from certain aspects, which Fang doesn't have anything related to narrative, only conceptual
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Dracula does not have any sort of narrative destruction (regen neg or immortality neg doesn't mean you can actually **** with aspects on that level)
Livinmeme said:
No level of hax can override other hax, if it can't interact with it to begin with
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So yeah Dracula literally can't do shit to Xuan Fang
 
deonment said:
Bending is a technique that exists and Xuan Fang can use
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That means literally nothing in a vacumm. What does bending? Is it passive? How does it work? Is it immensurable? Like it matters because drac plot manip' is passive
deonment said:
Dracula does not have any sort of narrative destruction (regen neg or immortality neg doesn't mean you can actually **** with aspects on that level)
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Yeah, I thought that he had narrative EE, I am sorry for that, he still passively incaps with plot manip
deonment said:
So yeah Dracula literally can't do shit to Xuan Fang
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And Xuan Fang can't do anything, because plot manip thwarts every attempt he does to use Conceptual manip
 
DaReaperMan said:
Prove that Dracula's plot manip can change the use of a 1-A power of ANY description
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Prove that Xuan conceptual manip can affect Drac plot manip, and no, appealing to potency isn't an argument (no one here has explained me why Xuan doesn't get memed by Dracula the moment the match starts, apart from vague arguments like descriptionless techniques (THAT AREN'T IN THE PROFILE, BTW), and conceptual wankery)
 
Livinmeme said:
That means literally nothing in a vacumm. What does bending? Is it passive? How does it work? Is it immensurable? Like it matters because drac plot manip' is passive
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It gives though based Immerausble speed and it does because its Infinite vs Infinite and so the passive isn't gonna take effect instantly so Xuan Fang just thinks, becomes Immesaruble and Dracula can't do shit
Livinmeme said:
Yeah, I thought that he had narrative EE, I am sorry for that, he still passively incaps with plot manip
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Not Incap, because Dracula can't actually do shit to Xuan Fang in the same way he can't do shit to Oryx, the passive is plot armor, not anything offensive
Livinmeme said:
And Xuan Fang can't do anything, because plot manip thwarts every time that he wants to use plot manip
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So literally nothing changes about the fight, so the positions stay the same
 
deonment said:
It gives though based Immerausble speed and it does because its Infinite vs Infinite and so the passive isn't gonna take effect instantly so Xuan Fang just thinks, becomes Immesaruble and Dracula can't do shit
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Plot manip stops it from happening, because if it happens then dracula won't be able to perform a "bad ending to the opponent" (by virtue of being ******* dead). And we don't even know if that is his first move.
deonment said:
Not Incap, because Dracula can't actually do shit to Xuan Fang in the same way he can't do shit to Oryx, the passive is plot armor, not anything offensive
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Xuan is the one who is getting lobotomized by canonical PIS by dracula plot manip, not the reverse. And Dracula can just use one of his billon incap hax to meme him, anyways.
deonment said:
So literally nothing changes about the fight, so the positions stay the same
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I don't think the opponent being literally passively negated from the beggining of the match, to not use all of his haxes is changing nothing (in a sense it isn't, because it was already this way).
 
Robo432343 said:
"Should be much faster than Bending, something common to 2nd Step cultivators"
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Not in notable techniques, NOT IN THE HAX TECHNIQUES. AND IT IS ON THE SPEED SECTION (which is equalized), the **** is that profile, There are better profiles in ******* Worms (lol). Also it says that he is faster than bending, not that he can use bending and wouldn't that imply that he would become slower using bending, anyways?
 
Livinmeme said:
Plot manip stops it from happening, because if it happens then dracula won't be able to perform a "bad ending to the opponent" (by virtue of being ******* dead). And we don't even know if that is his first move.
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1)That "bad ending to the opponent" thing is an active ability from an entirely different creature that dracula has the powers of from and has no reason to start off with
2)Passives are only assumed to have infinite application speed within their effective area, so a character with infinite speed can literally act at the same speed as a passive, so Xuan Fang just uses Bending and GTFOs
Livinmeme said:
Xuan is the one who is getting lobotomized by canonical PIS by dracula plot manip, not the reverse. And Dracula can just use one of his billon incap hax to meme him, anyways.
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You mean the shit he won't care about because he literally won't even be in the same part of the time stream as Dracula and instead attacking him from the past or future
Edit: Bro has no reason to try anything non-lethal anyways, so even if it did matter, he would just proc the type 4 and 8 and get assaulted from a different time period
Livinmeme said:
I don't think the opponent being literally passively negated from the beggining of the match, to not use all of his haxes is changing nothing (in a sense it isn't, because it was already this way).
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Dracula can literally do nothing to Xuan Fang, full stop, the shit is plot armor
Livinmeme said:
Not in notable techniques, NOT IN THE HAX TECHNIQUES. AND IT IS ON THE SPEED SECTION (which is equalized), the ** is that profile, There are better profiles in ***** Worms (lol)
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1)Because the shit ain't notable lmao, literally any 2nd step can use it let alone Mr third step with the essence of time over here
2)Why the **** would it be in hax of a profile when its a speed amp and would already be covered by shit in the cultivation page
3)Because its a speed amp, and since its a speed amp, speed equal holds no reign over it
 
deonment said:
1)That "bad ending to the opponent" thing is an active ability from an entirely different creature that dracula has the powers of from and has no reason to start off with
2)Passives are only assumed to have infinite application speed within their effective area, so a character with infinite speed can literally act at the same speed as a passive, so Xuan Fang just uses Bending and GTFOs
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(Creatures of Chaos can utilize the power of chaos to write cruel endings for their targets into Reality[48] and rewrite[49] the narrative of the worlds[49] they reside in through the[50] chaos in their soul[49] which are one and the same as the real world;[51] with the results[52] of those changes[50] overturning events in the story it's tied to and overflowing into reality[49])
It is in his profile, not even in the tabble specifically made to denominate dracula subpowers
Also
All prior abilities on a higher level, plus the following:
Which should include:

deonment said:
You mean the shit he won't care about because he literally won't even be in the same part of the time stream as Dracula and instead attacking him from the past or future
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Speed equalized, goddamit
deonment said:
Dracula can literally do nothing to Xuan Fang, full stop, the shit is plot armor
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The plot armor thwarts anything that can potentially jeopardize dracula life
deonment said:
1)Because the shit ain't notable lmao, literally any 2nd step can use it let alone Mr third step with the essence of time over here
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Fair
deonment said:
2)Why the **** would it be in hax of a profile when its a speed amp and would already be covered by shit in the cultivation page
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You are joking right. BECAUSE IT IS A HAX, AN SPEED AMP, WHICH ISN'T EVEN IN HIS PROFILE
deonment said:
3)Because its a speed amp, and since its a speed amp, speed equal holds no reign over it
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Fair, plot manip says hi
Don't ask me why The forum suddenly had an stroke, and decided that it was a good idea to hyperlink everything
 
Robo432343 said:
speed amps can still be used even if speed is equal
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You know that isn't what I meant, I didn't said that he couldn't amp, I said that he NEEDS to amp, which may or not be his first movement (And how does that work if you are faster than the technique, anyways?)
 
Livinmeme said:
We are still arguing about plot vs conceptual. Go back to getting scammed by GW
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Your "argument" has an entire thread on it. They are on equal footing. Issue is, one of them is 1-A and the other is only 4-D

(Side note, I don't own any Warhammer minis so I'm not getting scammed lol)
 
Livinmeme said:
You know that isn't what I meant, I didn't said that he couldn't amp, I said that he NEEDS to amp, which may or not be his first movement (And how does that work if you are faster than the technique, anyways?)
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dude
Xuan Fang is already faster than bending which is a technique
and bending is common to 2nd step cultivators
he doesn't need to activate anything???
 
DaReaperMan said:
Your "argument" has an entire thread on it. They are on equal footing. Issue is, one of them is 1-A and the other is only 4-D
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Issue is, one party hax COMPLETLY nullifies someone ability to use their own hax, and he doesn't know how to deal it, BECAUSE HE CAN'T INTERACT WITH IT
(Side note, I don't own any Warhammer minis so I'm not getting scammed lol)
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Good for you, I guess
 
Livinmeme said:
Issue is, one party hax COMPLETLY nullifies someone ability to use their own hax, and he doesn't know how to deal it, BECAUSE HE CAN'T INTERACT WITH IT

Good for you, I guess
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Wow, so Dracula's plothax can handle 1-A things? Can I have the feats for that?
 
Robo432343 said:
dude
Xuan Fang is already faster than bending which is a technique
and bending is common to 2nd step cultivators
he doesn't need to activate anything???
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We aren't arguing that Xuan fang is such an special snowflake, that he bypasses speed equalized rule. Also, by going with speed equalized rule, Dracula IS IMMENSURABLE, making it ******* useless
 
Livinmeme said:
(Creatures of Chaos can utilize the power of chaos to write cruel endings for their targets into Reality[48] and rewrite[49] the narrative of the worlds[49] they reside in through the[50] chaos in their soul[49] which are one and the same as the real world;[51] with the results[52] of those changes[50] overturning events in the story it's tied to and overflowing into reality[49])
It is in his profile, not even in the tabble specifically made to denominate dracula subpowers
Also
All prior abilities on a higher level, plus the following:
Which should include:
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Read your own scans, the "writing bad endings" shit is active and different from the plot armor, and once more, he just uses bending and GTFOs
Livinmeme said:
Speed equalized, goddamit
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Speed equal doesn't impact speed amps
Livinmeme said:
The plot armor thwarts anything that can potentially jeopardize dracula life
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The plot armor that is passive to an infinite instantly immeasurable character
Livinmeme said:
You are joking right. BECAUSE IT IS A HAX, AN SPEED AMP, WHICH ISN'T EVEN IN HIS PROFILE
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Nope, the shit is literally apart of the second step basic P&A
Improved Fusionism and Statistics Amplification: Can merge with reality on a far more fundamental level, allowing them to amplify their speed to being faster than teleportation and moving through time as well as tapping into the world's energy for conversion to vitality and use in spells.
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Livinmeme said:
Fair, plot manip says hi
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Plot manip doesn't mean shit when it can't get to affect Xuan Fang and he can just hit bro with the 1-A time stop or whatever else he wants to use
Livinmeme said:
You know that isn't what I meant, I didn't said that he couldn't amp, I said that he NEEDS to amp, which may or not be his first movement (And how does that work if you are faster than the technique, anyways?)
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Yes but once again, passives are only assumed to be infinite in their application, so Xuan Fang is literally equal in speed to the passive in speed, so it doesn't do shit anyways and he is entirely able to just use bending during that duration, and if Dracula tries to kill Xuan Fang (which he ******* will), he just gets nuked from another time period thanks to that immortality
 
Livinmeme said:
We aren't arguing that Xuan fang is such an special snowflake, that he bypasses speed equalized rule. Also, by going with speed equalized rule, Dracula IS IMMENSURABLE, making it ******* useless
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Did you honestly just say that around the guy thst made speed equal rules common knowledge? Livin, dude, reread them rules man
 
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