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Changing STTGL tier from high 1-C to 1-B
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The argument for High 1-C is scientifically speaking Branes transcend lower dimensions, and the dimensions in Gurren lagann are explicitly Branes.
The argument AGAINST it is that Gurren lagann isn't hard sci fi and as such we can't apply real scientific concepts of tier 1 stuff to it.
The argument AGAINST it is that Gurren lagann isn't hard sci fi and as such we can't apply real scientific concepts of tier 1 stuff to it.
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I would be fine with 2-A, if there were legitimate arguments made against the 1-C tiering instead of:
1) They aren't 1-C because I don't believe they are.
2) TTGL is only 1-C because the wiki's tiering is stupid.
3) The attack only look Low 2-C or 3-A so they must be only that strong.
etc. etc.
I have yet to encounter an argument that made me second guest 1-C and the fact that a verse with 2-A feats that are this blatent can be lowballed to anything below is bonkers.
1) They aren't 1-C because I don't believe they are.
2) TTGL is only 1-C because the wiki's tiering is stupid.
3) The attack only look Low 2-C or 3-A so they must be only that strong.
etc. etc.
I have yet to encounter an argument that made me second guest 1-C and the fact that a verse with 2-A feats that are this blatent can be lowballed to anything below is bonkers.
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2-A would actually be fine, the problem here is Branes applying to this verse and that somehow getting to Tier 1 when said dimensions never showed the infinite superiority needed.Dienomite22 said:
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Like I said, it's a matter of irl science vs in verse portrayal. Much like type 4 multiverses
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words of lordgenome does not reflect the promising quality size of the universe. just clarifies the situation. according to string theory, the 11-dimensional continuum includes all versions of the laws of physics, time lines in the three-dimensional universe. what does the level system have to do with it? the ACF system is the best, and this is a fact. again-there are arguments in the direction of 2C, and in the direction of 2A they are literally not there.Dienomite22 said:
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Not every verse utilizes string theory and TTGL doesn't. A verse doesn't need to use string theory in order to be Tier 1.Nnnnnnnnnnnnnmmmmm said:
Either go enjoy ACF or stop complaining about how things are done here because it won't change anything.
>again-there are arguments in the direction of 2C, and in the direction of 2A they are literally not there.
Read the tiering sytem and rules before talking about them.
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I see there are way more solid basis for 2-A than for High 1-C, and see 0 basis for 2-C.
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I believe that is because Brane cosmology implies superiority by itself as it suggest the normal 3D universe is just a brane inside a bulk aka higher dimensional hyperspace.Ionliosite said:
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Are the 11 Dimensions infinite in size in STTGL?
King Ghidorah (Anime) was downgraded cause he was only said to be 4-D but no context on how big was the 4th Dimension.
King Ghidorah (Anime) was downgraded cause he was only said to be 4-D but no context on how big was the 4th Dimension.
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I believe higher dimensions are infinitely superior to lower dimensions, if I'm understanding Brane cosmology correctly.
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I believe so. And by Matt who typically is a stickler on not accepting higher dimensional stuff for verses.
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I mean, yes, but the reason is that "it uses Branes and thus the statements about dimensions are valid", when said dimensions are never shown to be infinitely superior to each other, which is what the new Tiering System asks for Tier 1 to be valid.DemonGodMitchAubin said:
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Wasn't it said that each dimension was superior to the other, I'm not very experienced about Tier 1, but I'm pretty sure High 1-C was all accepted by some staff members in the other thread, regardless we're in the middle of the lockdown and none of this will be saved, so maybe this should be put on hold at least until the forum move is down
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I don't think this should be put on hold since this thread won't lead anywhere anyway.
And no, it's never said in-verse that the dimensions are superior, real life Branes indeed are, but the Brane in TTGL was never shown that way.
And no, it's never said in-verse that the dimensions are superior, real life Branes indeed are, but the Brane in TTGL was never shown that way.
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I guess in the worse case scenario, they could always get the "possibly" or "likely" High 1-C if there are serious doubts about the tiering, however I'm too uninformed about the exact inner workings of Tier 1 to give a solid input on my own
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It is indeed superior and meant to be like the real life one, at least going by author intent. (yes Gainax knows what M Theory and branes are) TTGL is a rehash of Aim for the Top! and that verse is at least Low 1-C.
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>by author intent
Post actual Word of God of this being the case, because otherwise, Death of the Author kills this, especially because your logic is that it should be Tier 1 because the studio already made another Tier 1.
Post actual Word of God of this being the case, because otherwise, Death of the Author kills this, especially because your logic is that it should be Tier 1 because the studio already made another Tier 1.
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- a rehash/remake of another tier 1, but probably more of something like a "rip off of their own stuff"
If the argument is "it dont look like it" well its not like we can make 11-D glasses or TV lol (at least not yet, maybe in a thousand years or so)
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We assume a verse follows real world physics unless directly contradicted, if Gurren Lagann uses brane cosmology, then we will apply the implications of brane cosmology, you will need evidence for the contrary, that brand cosmology works different in the verse, making it so the dimensions aren't superior
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The evidence is the fact the dimensions are never shown to be superior to each other in-verse.Andytrenom said:
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Also if Branes don't count that would downgrade interstellar and red dwarf but
TBH I'm neutral on this issue
TBH I'm neutral on this issue
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Do interstellar and red dwarf show the dimensions to be superior to each other? Because that's the problem here, not Branes.
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The evidence is the fact the dimensions are never shown to be superior to each other in-verse.
Which isn't necessary. No calc would work if we weren't allowed to apply real life properties of something used in a work without it neing explicitly stated.
We assume physics to work unless shown otherwise, and a verse not explicitly saying so, is not proof of the contrary
Which isn't necessary. No calc would work if we weren't allowed to apply real life properties of something used in a work without it neing explicitly stated.
We assume physics to work unless shown otherwise, and a verse not explicitly saying so, is not proof of the contrary
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It doesn't need to be explicitly stated, if it's using a concept where dimensions are superior, then that can be assumed
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Zach just gave an example of that not being the case.
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Ask Ultima then, he is the one who made the tiering revisions, you can get him to confirm whether the use of brand cosmology allows tier 1
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Someone needs to call Última here
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