Chainsaw Man discussion thread

[DrGreyman]

though actually
we now know Old Age can project themselves into the domain expansion

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

So... What's Denji plan again? No vore? Fijimoto and Denji cooking some other less ****** up shit?

Man, Denji and Femoto is just too crazy for us mortals...

 

[DrGreyman]

So... What's Denji plan again? No vore? Fijimoto and Denji cooking some other less ****** up shit?

Man, Denji and Femoto is just too crazy for us mortals...

honestly the only thing i can think of is like
denji is running to get hungry?
and is hoping that translates to pochita getting hungry or smth?

 

[ElajRuengies]

FUMIKO COVER

WHAT DO THE HANDS MEAN?

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

FUMIKO COVER

WHAT DOES THE HANDS MEAN?

DEATH DEVIL CONFIRMED RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Anyways, now we can kinda confirm that Aging might've chosen to send Denji specifically to it's world (and that's the sole reason why Pochita is still in the real world). And again, I chose not to trust the Cicada guy, cause:
1: MREEEEEEEEE
2: the reason above

So yeah, mental world theory is gone, I'm staying on this side till the end

 

[Zabazab]

Miri has a volume cover.

Anyways good chapter, we keep forgetting the uselessness of predicting Fujimoto.

 

[ElajRuengies]

How hard is Denji running to be sweating in a tanktop in the middle of a frozen forest? Also

Didn't you just find out your family member died? If you've already bounced back... you can't have loved her very much.

How the heck does Aging know about Nayuta?

 

[DrGreyman]

it's over mentalbros

 

[ElajRuengies]

Funniest page this chapter-

Spoiler: Disrespectful AF

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

How hard is Denji running to be sweating in a tanktop in the middle of a frozen forest? Also

You mean he's running REALLY HARD? This might somehow relate to his plan.

How the heck does Aging know about Nayuta?

It's a primal fear, that's how (maybe Aging knows the trauma of the people in it's world too, who knows, maybe it just guess).

 

[Alexander]

Perpetual motion machine of family?does Fujimoto love perpetual motion of suffering?he did the same with Fire Punch by making Agni be perpetual burning and regeneration

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Anyways, I'll summarize the current chapter:
Denji is crazy confirmed (again)

Aging probably have chosen Denji specifically to send to it's world so that it can reason with him

Aging's Domain being a mental world crumbles, only 1 more push to completely break that theory down (the theory relies on Pochita still being outside, now is debunked because we know Pochita and Denji's connection and Pochita's power is special, and Aging has motivation to send only Denji to it's world + the whole explanation we got are from a dude who's now a Cicada, also hallucinates sometimes, meaning he ain't right in the head)

Denji is cooking something else (theory crafters where are you?)


Also, anyone interest in recalc Gun Devil (20%) speed again? Since I found the previous calc weird, mention in my latest post before the new chap:

tbh, could be true since Gun Goddess's bullet has proven that the fast one is actually the bullet instead of the devil itself. Anyways, I wanna figure out where the place that Makima was at is, but turned out it's a fictional city (why Fujimotor).

updates on this: I found out that the place Makima was in must be a coastal city (Angel was in a hospital in a city, a fictional one, Aki and Angel must've walked to Makima on foot so it must be close or in-city range). Here's the condition:

The targeted city must be more than 500km away, it must be a coastal city/ or a city that's near seaside, near enough so you can walk to the seaside. Between the straight path between said city and Nikaho, Akita must exists mountainous range surrounded by forests that exist moderate level of population (cities/towns in the path counts too), some populations could be sitting inside the forest and mountain range. In the path, about 500km away from the city you will have to find, there exists a place where there are moderate populations (not countryside, must be an urban area). The city must be the nearest to Tokyo possible that fits the conditions. AND Makima must be staring at land (since her back is the sea, all angles of her back), and that fits the condition for this city too.

The city I found is Hamamatsu city. Nagoya city works too (and works best imo)

For Hamamatsu:

This city is Approximately 536.1km away from Nikaho, Akita and is about 200km away from Tokyo (isn't too far for Aki to go on a short trip so it makes sense). And being 536.1km away means that Makima spotted Gun Devil 36.1km away from Nikaho, Akita, the nearest mountainous range from there is about 66.3km, from Hamamatsu is about 119.2km. Here it's said that Makima spotted gun devil from about 500km away and we still see populations, I found Yurihonjo which is about 22.5km away.

For Nagoya:

• Distance to Nikaho: 521.1 km
• Distance to Tokyo: 259.1 km

nearest urban area from Nikaho on the straight path: Yurihonjo, the same distance.
Mountainous range from Nagoya (nearest): 134.1 kilometers.

Nagoya would fit the conditions more.

And to remind y'all, the city Makima was in couldn't be Tokyo, the furthest distance possible was less than 500km

Anyways, I've gone too deep about this one, my brain is overheating, do what you want with the info (or just ignore it tbh).

 

[DrGreyman]

you know, im starting to think denji doesn't know what a perpetual motion machine really is

 

[ElajRuengies]

you know, im starting to think denji doesn't know what a perpetual motion machine really is

Whaddya mean? He watches educational television! Technically speaking the first Perpetual Motion Machine required an outside source of blood (the Eternity Devil), not to mention Himeno pulling his ripcord if he died, so yeah, he's not getting any Nobel Prizes for that one.

As for the second perpetual motion machine:

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

As for the second perpetual motion machine:

Asa dying as soon as she becomes a family member of Denji confirmed

 

[ElajRuengies]

Asa dying as soon as she becomes a family member of Denji confirmed

Another Spider Man parallel- Denji's got his own Uncle Curse.

 

[Zabazab]

It's exactly what Makima promised

 

[DrGreyman]

holy shit you're right
that is exactly what makima said she would do, if he got more family she would kill them, if he was happy she would take it away

 

[Epiccheev]

A heart turned into a perpetual motion machine vs a heart made fullmetal. who wins?

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

This chapter is definitely more of a set-up chapter, but seeing more of Denji's thought process is nice.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

A heart turned into a perpetual motion machine vs a heart made fullmetal. who wins?

F-Fullmetal!?!??!

 

[ElajRuengies]

It still hasn't occurred to Asa that Yoru just killed several hundred people at least.

Now, to be fair to her, I also completely forgot about that, but she's still not beating the Goldfish Memory allegations.

 

[Epiccheev]

F-Fullmetal!?!??!

Damn right.

 

[ElajRuengies]

Does the Hybrid's paradoxical existence get them anything? From TVTropes-

Continuity Snarl: An intentional case- they're the only concept Chainsaw Man's Ret-Gone ability doesn't work against, meaning they still exist despite the name of the Hybrids being deleted from the timeline. This results in contradictions like Quanxi being old enough to be "The First Devil Hunter," meaning she must've become a Hybrid quite long ago, while simultaneously the Crossbow Devil was around to fight Chainsaw Man as one of the Weapon Devils only about a decade ago.
[...]
Paradox Person: For some reason, the hybrids are the only entities in the entire world that Chainsaw Man's Ret-Gone ability doesn't work on, continuing to exist in spite of their Devil having been erased from existence, and by extension the timeline. This results in weirdness like Whip Woman being 82, Spear Man being even older, and Quanxi being ancient enough to be called "The First Devil Hunter" — meaning they fused with their devils and became Hybrids well into the past — and yet their Weapon Devils were available to fight Chainsaw Man only around a decade ago from the present.

 

[DrGreyman]

the thing is
pochita's erasure is extremely specific and verse dependent
and not really explained
I think any attempt to broaden hybrid's resistance to erasure would probably fail

 

[Epiccheev]

Just give Pochita prep so he can eat the coherent power system devil before the fight, nerfing 99% of other verse's power systems.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

denji getting trapped alone in an eternal youth pocket dimension with asa is his easiest possible slam dunk surefire opportunity to get laid. why is he trying to leave

 

[AnAverageUsername]

denji getting trapped alone in an eternal youth pocket dimension with asa is his easiest possible slam dunk surefire opportunity to get laid. why is he trying to leave

I can't say anything worse, but I will say go **** yourself

 

[Alexander]

I can't say anything worse, but I will say go **** yourself

Maybe if you manage to circumvent things

 

[GunshyFever]

Thinking about it from a later standpoint, Darkness actually might beat Aging when it comes to a fight.

 

[ElajRuengies]

Thinking about it from a later standpoint, Darkness actually might beat Aging when it comes to a fight.

Honestly, I wonder if the Primal Fears are even capable of killing each other.

Obviously there must be stronger and weaker ones, Death is proof of that, but the fact that none of them have ever died implies either:

1.) There has never been a single instance of a fight to the death between two Primals in all of Human History. (Unlikely but not impossible.)

2.) The Primal Fears can't even be killed by each other. (Except for maybe Death- if Death could kill any Primal except for herself that wouldn't be surprising at all.)

Side note, but what do you mean by a later standpoint?

 

[Epiccheev]

I wonder if Asa and Denji will ever face the loneliness/isolation devil

 

[DrGreyman]

Thinking about it from a later standpoint, Darkness actually might beat Aging when it comes to a fight.

i mean
we've seen darkness actually fight for more than 2 seconds
pretty strong advantage lol

though honestly you're probably right
since old age really only punches/does the super decay touch, it can really only force a stalemate with the domain expansion, since darkness has that whole shield

 

[ElajRuengies]

I wonder if Asa and Denji will ever face the loneliness/isolation devil

The Loneliness Fiend actually appeared in Buddy Stories- Aki and Himeno were sent to hunt it as their first mission.

If you get shot by its crossbow, instead of you dying, everyone you love dies instead. Fortunately, everyone Aki loved was already dead at the time, so he was fine, but Aki notes at the end that if he fought it now (with Denji and Power around), he'd be f*cked.

 

[GunshyFever]

what do you mean by a later standpoint?

Initially, I believed that since the Aging Devil was much faster and had his own mental realm to BFR his opponents, he'd probably just forcefully BFR the Darkness Devil into his realm and win outright. However, looking at it now, fear scaling wise, Darkness should have the edge over Aging pretty easily, especially when accounting for speed.

That said, it's pretty obvious they can't kill one another. It's just a half-formed thought, and it hurts the brain to think about—especially when it comes to the Aging Devil's BFR mental realm, as he was clearly capable of sending beings on his level, like Pochita, there (albeit Pochita was in a severely weakened, legless corpse state).

Forget it, never pit Primordial Devils against each other unless you want a brain aneurysm.

 

[ElajRuengies]

Initially, I believed that since the Aging Devil was much faster and had his own mental realm to BFR his opponents, he'd probably just forcefully BFR the Darkness Devil into his realm and win outright. However, looking at it now, fear scaling wise, Darkness should have the edge over Aging pretty easily, especially when accounting for speed.

That said, it's pretty obvious they can't kill one another. It's just a half-formed thought, and it hurts the brain to think about—especially when it comes to the Aging Devil's BFR mental realm, as he was clearly capable of sending beings on his level, like Pochita, there (albeit Pochita was in a severely weakened, legless corpse state).

Forget it, never pit Primordial Devils against each other unless you want a brain aneurysm.

They start fighting and then the manga just cuts to some vaguely symbolic nature documentary about frogs dwelling in trees at night.

 

[Epiccheev]

If you get shot by its crossbow, instead of you dying, everyone you love dies instead.

"Haha that shot did NOTHING, what a clown! just wait till I get home and tell my wife about this"

 

[GunshyFever]

For the Chainsaw kick calc, I have a few nitpicks that could potentially increase the overall energy of the feat, making it much more impressive. Given the pulverization of the buildings shown in the panel and the outward dispersion of debris, violent fragmentation should (probably) be the most suitable assumption for energy density. It shows the energy needed to break concrete into fine particles, which is consistent with the shown destruction in the panel. The larger debris we see could represent the outer layers of the buildings that are damaged as collateral, while the parts Pochita actually kicks through are shown to be completely pulverized. Plus, including the kinetic energy due to the outward motion of the debris, factoring in the speed of the kick, could buff the calc. It might yield 8-A results (or not), but these are break neat to note.

 

[ElajRuengies]

For the Chainsaw kick calc, I have a few nitpicks that could potentially increase the overall energy of the feat, making it much more impressive. Given the pulverization of the buildings shown in the panel and the outward dispersion of debris, violent fragmentation should (probably) be the most suitable assumption for energy density. It shows the energy needed to break concrete into fine particles, which is consistent with the shown destruction in the panel. The larger debris we see could represent the outer layers of the buildings that are damaged as collateral, while the parts Pochita actually kicks through are shown to be completely pulverized.

The debris isn't really smaller, it's just that everything is smaller since the POV is very zoomed out in order to get several buildings into the shot. Comparing the bits to the buildings, they're comparable to other building destruction feats's rubble.

Or in other words, a lot of the rubble isn't invisible because it's too small, it's invisible because the camera's like a football field away.

More importantly, I like that destroying a building is now Large Building level, and destroying multiple large buildings is City Block level. It just feels better.

Plus, including the kinetic energy due to the outward motion of the debris, factoring in the speed of the kick, could buff the calc. It might yield 8-A results (or not), but these are break neat to note.

But Kinetic Energy bad, Volume Destruction good. That actually reminds me, considering how Human Quanxi's canonically supersonic, wouldn't Pochita dropkicking her Hybrid Form like 500 meters down the city (and then decapitating her) before she responds be like, at least Mach 500?

 

[GunshyFever]

The debris isn't really smaller, it's just that everything is smaller since the POV is very zoomed out in order to get several buildings into the shot. Comparing the bits to the buildings, they're comparable to other building destruction feats's rubble.

Or in other words, a lot of the rubble isn't invisible because it's too small, it's invisible because the camera's like a football field away.

More importantly, I like that destroying a building is now Large Building level, and destroying multiple large buildings is City Block level. It just feels better.

I mean, we do get a close up inside the final building where he makes his halt, and since he's halting his movements, the energy of his movements also decreases. However, it still generates a lot of rubble nonetheless, most of it being moderately tiny (basically a mix of basic and violent fragmentation in different areas of the building, despite the halt of his attack). So, I’d say it’s reasonable to assume vf for the overall calc.

Also, I’ve been pushing for the 8-A Hybrid agenda because the number would look cool on their profiles.

But Kinetic Energy bad, Volume Destruction good. That actually reminds me, considering how Human Quanxi's canonically supersonic, wouldn't Pochita dropkicking her Hybrid Form like 500 meters down the city (and then decapitating her) before she responds be like, at least Mach 500?

I asked a friend about it, however, we can't really prove that Quanxi has supersonic perception speed.