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Criticism isn't a bad thing though. I might suck Fujimoto's dick regularly, but I still keep his balls out of my throat.
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Chainsaw Man discussion thread
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Yeah ofc Criticism ain't a bad thing at all, it's just that people are criticizing based on face value like "damn bro the same shit has happened twice now" without realizing that the situation is different from then. Like the reason how he got back from rock bottom now compare to Part 1 is different, it is different but some people don't understand it, because they be looking at face value to criticize something.
I ain't saying "oh you all must be perfect and have to analyze everything you read deeply", but just saying that people didn't understand my boi Denji yet.
And some are just completely confident in their criticism, which as I already explained, are the result of face value judgements.
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I love that Reze gets a panel while Makima is nowhere to be seen in Denji's flashbacks. It's just, [chef's kiss]
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I wonder if the realm could just be a collective unconscious reality where people's minds go
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So Aging is actually just John Persona? Crazy...
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It's a purgatory for the unenlightened masses who couldn't make the judgement call
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Imagina if next week he barfs Makima....
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I mean technically, Denji might've eaten Nayuta as sushi...
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I think Pochita would have to vomit up the parts of himself he ate first, if we're going by the theory.
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Reread Ch. 87 and, Hybrid Quanxi actually took Pochita's Multi-City Block level kick. (Miri/Sword Man was also there, but she was in front of him so she was basically his meat shield.) She only got decapitated after that.
Unfortunately the person who did the calc made it wrong, as they used 20% steel and 80% concrete instead of 100% reinforced concrete, which tanks the AP level, which also tanks the Lifting Rating of Pochita's jump.
Although I'm not sure why that's an LS thing to begin with, since Pochita never jumps? It looks more like he just drop-kicked them through the buildings, which isn't LS.
Unfortunately the person who did the calc made it wrong, as they used 20% steel and 80% concrete instead of 100% reinforced concrete, which tanks the AP level, which also tanks the Lifting Rating of Pochita's jump.
Although I'm not sure why that's an LS thing to begin with, since Pochita never jumps? It looks more like he just drop-kicked them through the buildings, which isn't LS.
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Yeah, I had mentioned that Quanxi went through the initial 4 buildings completely unharmed, only damaged by Pochita's chainsaw piercing through her and Miri. Quanxi was practically the shield for Miri here so I don't think he would scale to the feat itself. However, I do agree that a recalc is warranted.
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Calced volume * 10 j/cm3 = 341,116,182,000 joules, or 81.5 tons of TNT.
Not a bad feat to have if/when Bat gets downgraded to 9.14 tons.
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Yeah and it's not too shabby either as they both go through the attack completely attached and unfazed (not regarding Pochita's chainsaw). Scaling wise there should there no problem.
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We gave it a possibly rating on his profile.
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Funnily enough, doing the same math to the lowered AP results in ~41 billion kg instead of 200 billion, making it just a hair's breath off from the baseball pitch's 34.5 billion kg
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Alright, I've done a smidge more math in order to make the Fox Devil's calc line up with the rest in terms of using 80% instead of 90% hollowness for buildings, now here is now completely serious, non-satirical take on the scaling:
Critiques are welcome. Also, where the heck do I put Yoshida's physicals?
Power Crushes Cucumber: 6.72 kg of TNT
- Initial Power (Duh)
- Post-Training Power (At least)
- Initial Denji (Fights with Power)
- Post-Training Denji (At least, same goes for Weakened and Current, since Fear Scaling shouldn't affect his human form)
- Aki (Fights with Power)
- Himeno, Kobeni, etc... (Should be comparable to Aki)
- Akane Sawatari (Former Devil Hunter)
- Pingtsi, Long, Cosmo, Tsugihagi (Are fiends)
- Fiend Beam (Is a fiend)
- Zombies under Akane (Are basically devils, got wrecked by Post-Training Power)
- Dolls under Pre-Darknesss Santa (Can be killed by Post-Training Power and Denji, and Fox Devil's Paw, and Masked Violence)
- Human Reze (At least, wrecked Post-Training Denji, later snapped his neck)
- Aki w/ Fox (Duh)
- Devil Form Beam (Should be semi-comparable to Fox)
- Masked Violence (At the very least; Reze took him seriously, while she was totally unfazed by Fox biting her, better than Devil Form Beam who got one-shot)
- Initial Hybrid Denji (Duh)
- Bat Devil (At most, weaker but comparable to Initial Denji's physicals)
- Initial Hybrid Denji's Piercing Damage (Much higher, shredded Bat)
- Himeno's Ghost Arm (Harmed Eternity w/ Gun Flesh, who can hurt Hybrid Denji)
- Cockroach Devil (At least, flattened Bat by falling him)
- Post-Weakening Hybrid Denji (At least, knocked around Cockroach)
- Post-Weakening Hybrid Denji's Piercing Damage (Much higher, shredded Cockroach)
- Princi / Spider Devil (At least, should be comparable to Cockroach via Fear Scaling, I Will Die On This Hill)
- Angel Devil (At least, the strongest Division 4 Agent besides Kishibe, putting him above Princi, blocked a hit from Quanxi w/ Aki, but was knocked out doing so)
- Kishibe (At least, stronger than Angel)
- Yoshida (At least, stronger than Kishibe, did much better against Quanxi than Angel)
- Post-Training Denji (Blocked it with his chainsaws)
- Post-Training Denji's Piercing Damage (Much higher, bisected Katana Man when he ran into his legsaw, cut off Reze's leg, cut off Daytime Santa's arms)
- Katana Man (Can match Denji, was exhausted in their previous clash when he was weaker)
- Katana Man's Piercing Damage (Much higher, can chop off Post-Training Denji's limbs)
- Ghost Devil (Can hurt Katana Man)
- Aki's Curse Sword (Can hurt Katana Man)
- Aki's Angel Katana (At least, can disarm the Ghost Devil and Hybrid Reze)
- Hybrid Reze's Physicals (At least as strong as Post-Training Hybrid Denji)
- Miri Sugo (Shown as comparable to Katana Man at the Graveyard)
- Whip Woman & Spear Man's physicals (Should scale because Katana Man's a loser)
- Yoshida w/ Octopus (At least, can destroy loads of dolls, which can hurt Post-Training Hybrid Denji)
- Daytime Santa (Bonked Post-Training Hybrid Denji, got wrecked by Hybrid Quanxi)
- Dolls under Post-Darkness Santa (Can harm Post-Training Hybrid Denji)
- Blood Devil Power's Physicals (Pochita told her she'd come back as a powerful Devil, putting her at least above Bat)
- Zombies under Makima (Harmed Blood Devil Power, slowed down Pochita Clone as a mob)
- Princi / Spider Devil (Possibly, should scale above a Makima-contracted Mantis Devil, which could harm Blood Devil Power)
- Kobeni w/ Knife (Can pierce through Public Safety Uniforms, which can withstand Quick Draw's Piercing Damage)
- Akane w/ Snake Devil (One-shot the Ghost Devil)
- Hybrid Reze's Explosions (Blew off Nomo's arm through his uniform, destroyed Denji's chainsaws)
- Unmasked Violence (At least, shredded his uniform just by transforming)
- Kishibe w/ Knives (Contracts described as fearsome by Pingtsi, offscreened Post-Training Hybrid Denji, Knife Devil should be here just by Fear Scaling)
- Human Quanxi (At least, LOL-stomped other Hybrids, caught Kishibe's Knife)
- Post-Chainsaw Man Church Yoru (Cut out of Octopus, took a kick from Quanxi, lost an exchange but was missing an arm to be fair)
- Princi / Spider Devil (Possibly, should be comparable to the Centipede Devil, which could pierce an amped Pochita's guts-scarf, while Hybrid Reze couldn't scratch regular Pochita's scarf w/ explosions)
- Hybrid Quanxi (Duh)
- Pochita Clone (Got a double KO w/ Hybrid Quanxi)
- Hybrid Quanxi's Piercing Damage (At least, far higher than her physicals)
- Pochita Clone's Piercing Damage (At least, far higher than his physicals)
- Unmasked Violence (Possibly, only character besides Makima Darkness used the sword against, although he didn't do as well as Makima)
- Makima (Literally punched off Chainsaw Man's limbs, breaking his saws on one occasion)
- Blood Devil Power's Blood Manipulation (Harmed Makima)
- Denji w/ Power Saw (Harmed Makima)
- Nighttime Santa (Caught and snapped Hybrid Quanxi's arrows, flyswatted Post-Training Hybrid Denji, thought she had the power to kill Makima)
- Angel w/ Millenium Spear (At least, wrecked Weakened Pochita)
- Dance-Dance Revolution Kobeni (At least, obviously Makima thought she was dangerous enough to justify using the Lance of Longinus against)
- Prime Kishibe (At least, as Angel's the strongest agent next to him, obviously Kishibe at his best must beat Angel at his best, therefore he scales. Pochita killed Makima to save her and Japan's Populace from Kishibe, as he was about to kill her 126.1 million times)
- 20% Gun Devil (35.8893/28 * 20 = 25.63 kilotons)
- Makima's Finger Gun (Implied to be a result of her beating the 20% Gun Devil, sent Pochita into space)
- Part 1 Pochita (Took four bangs with only minimal damage)
- Spear Man's Spears (Pierced straight through Pochita)
- 100% Gun Devil (35.8893/28 * 100 = 128.18 / Kinetic energy is this level, although just traveling at this speed caused 37% of its body to shear off in the process, meaning it's unlikely it would survive attacking an opponent this way. Also, the Gun Devil does not fight by ramming)
- Part 2 Pochita (Fear Scaling)
- Post-Chainsaw Man Church Yoru w/ Call to Arms (Wrecked Part 2 Pochita)
- Post-Chainsaw Man Church Yoru w/ Gun Goddess (Duh)
- Primal Fears (At least)
- Princi / Spider Devil (At least by Fear Scaling, RIGHT HAND OF MAKIMA PRINCI AGENDA LETSGOOOOOO!)
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Somewhere inferior to base Quanxi, I just remembered a few days ago that she had a statement of being stronger than Chainsaw Man
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If Kobeni gets to hit 11 Tons for stabbing Aki then so does Yoshida for giving Quanxi a nosebleed. Speaking of Kobeni, did she really do more damage to the suit than Katana did when he slashed Aki? Aki was OHKO'd by Katana but remained conscious when he was stabbed.
Also, jumping from 81 tons to 166 megatons is so ******* funny lol this verse has a crazy gap from high tiers to god tiers.
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Okay, but where?
Normally I'd agree, but that causes an issue since Yoru is too tough for Yoshida with a friggin' sword, yet gets floored by a kick from Human Quanxi.
There was literally no damage to the black suit, so by default the answer is yes. Katana Man had more force behind the Quick Draw, but Kobeni's knife is just absurdly sharp.
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It was a really sharp sword, to be fair. But really I think it's just Yoshida < Yoru < Quanxi. Yes Quanxi got a nosebleed, but he still got no-diffed in round 1 and low-diffed in round 2— Yoshida even says a direct hit would kill him while Yoru took a direct hit and just felt sore.
Part 2 Fujimoto has a need to give the men hunky frames, and the women wide hips.
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Fujimoto just decided to join the other manga artists and just indulge himself.
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Honestly, below Reze's explosions.
I also think there should be a 100 Tons of TNT sector, for like the characters who obviously power gap 83 Tons of TNT chars, like Graveyard Clone, DEMP Santa and Makima
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Alright, so I completely forgot that Angel nearly died to Typhoon because he's lazy and lowkey wants to die, and even Makima said he'd be the second strongest agent in Division 4 if he wasn't so lazy, meaning I've got a solution to this.
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I asked someone to take a look at it. However, it might not be accepted, as 1:5 Steel to concrete ratio is the normally used for skyscraper feats, rather than building feats.
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Yeah but those are taller mid-rises, not skyscrapers.
Anywho, if the Cockroach/Spider scaling doesn't work, then Angel, Kishibe, and Yoshida can just scale off of Masked Violence as a lower bound.
Okay, but Denji being more built makes sense since he's finally been eating well, while Katana Man becoming bulkier makes sense considering that he's been waiting for a rematch with Denji.
... I was gonna bring up a woman from Part 1 who didn't have larger hips in Part 2 as a counter-example, but then I remembered that all of them besides Quanxi literally died or are still absent from the plot (Kobeni, Reze).
If Reze or Kobeni shows up with Hartman Hips I'll concede the point, but until then Quanxi's not beating the Ben & Jerry's allegations.
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...So I don't wanna be that guy, but why do we scale everyone to Angel's Bullet Block, when Angel's the strongest agent in Division 4 next to Kishibe, and most of the human cast not being faster than handguns is the cause for a major plot point?
Obviously humans can get faster than bullets- Quanxi explicitly leaves sound in the dust in Buddy Stories, but I don't think most of them are.
Obviously humans can get faster than bullets- Quanxi explicitly leaves sound in the dust in Buddy Stories, but I don't think most of them are.
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Everyone who scales to it, has scaling to it (excluding Himeno, thinking about it now she should have her rating removed.)
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Even Initial Power?
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Nah, Pochita is the Vore Devil that why is so feared
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Yup, power should be faster than the Angel Devil. Being the second strongest in the division doesn't mean others can't be faster than you.
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Lowkey the anime kind of kills the calc too since Angel moves his wing before the bullet is fired.
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Welp, the anime also gave us Kishibe statue-ing Denji, so Law of Equivalent Exchange I guess.
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The anime also gave use Aki dodging bullets, but sadly it isn't cannon to the manga.
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Welp, at least there's
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Best theory I've seen for how they escape is that Denji's gonna remember what Asa told him about starfish throwing up their stomachs to consume prey and somehow make that work in their favor.
Meaning "Asa's autism-fueled hyperfixation on marine biology and Denji's ADHD-powered absurdly specific remembrance of random information" (not my words) is gonna let them thwart a f*cking Primal Fear.
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On another note, the Cockroach Devil Calc needs to be divided by the amount of times it took the Cockroach Devil to punch it. A CGM left a message on the calc.
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Done.
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