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Allat to end up being 1.4x weaker than the original calc
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Chainsaw Man discussion thread
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There's that one feat were Barem presumably melts the floor of a building Pochita was standing on at the start of Chapter 88.
Maybe melting something that large might yield something good?
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It might be based on a guesstimate, but does Barem scale to anyone? I wanna say to Reze, but that's more out of vibes than anything concrete.
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Barem gives off final boss fight type vibes. He was able to react to Graveyard Clone's ripcrods which support the feeling, so the chances of anyone scaling to him is low at best. But, best to see if it yields anything good for future reference.
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...City Block level, and it scales to BareHIM and only him. At 26.43 - 42.58 tons, he's the 2nd strongest Weapon Human besides Quanxi, to the surprise of absolutely no one. (Spear doesn't count since it's just his spears that are cracked)
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Like, in the story or the thread?
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Me when fujimoto makes the autistic girl and the ADHD boy win over a top tier because they are both mentally r (is peak)
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"Chainsaw Man was crazy-good this week"
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"Chainsaw Man was crazy good this month."
In all seriousness, The Gun Devil gave the verse new feats again, a new Primal Fear reminded everyone why they're utterly cracked, Yoru was horny, we freaked out that Denji might get r*ped on election day, Denji actually stood up for himself and pushed Yoru off himself, AKI AND POWER FLASHBACK, FRIGGIN' REZE FLASHBACK, and some calcs get adjusted meaning things had to get rescaled.
A Bomb Girl vs. Flamethrower Man fight would be amazing ngl.
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Looking back at it, I think Blood Devil Power's a glass cannon with durability negation through her blood manipulation, considering that she got hurt by the Mantis Devil (Ch. 91), which Fami-Revived Yuko was able to take without difficulty (Ch. 109), who then got wrecked by Post-Weakening Denji. Either that or Makima made two Devil Hunters sacrifice way more to get more out of their Mantis contracts, meaning Mantis's full power is 8-A, meaning 8-A SPIDER DEVIL BABYYY- ahem.
Unlikely though, considering that she got hurt by freaking zombies, whom Graveyard Clone Pochita and Barem were able to kill en masse.
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I don't believe her durability should be downgraded, as she has the same power source as a Weakened Pochita. Along with the fact that a Majority of the damage the zombies did, were with her own weapons, otherwise, they would bite at her, which would do minimal heck, extremely insufficient damage.
For the Mantis Devil ripping straight into her, you can use the fact that she was off guard as she was pretty much getting jumped by a bunch of Makima's troops. It's moreso that the Mantis Devil itself might be a glasscannon.
For the Mantis Devil ripping straight into her, you can use the fact that she was off guard as she was pretty much getting jumped by a bunch of Makima's troops. It's moreso that the Mantis Devil itself might be a glasscannon.
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In Chapter 90, sure, but Ch. 91 then shows Power getting jumped by a bunch of unequipped zombies and coming out of it dragging her bisected torso into an alley with her brain exposed. And the zombies can't be 8-A since Clone-chita gets dog-piled by them and comes out of it just fine, which also means Blood Devil Power can't just be equivalent to Weakened Pochita.
Okay but, Yuko visibly took less damage from Mantis than Power did, meaning either Fami-Revived Yuko is 8-A, meaning Post-Weakening Chainsaw Man is 8-A (impossible), Mantis was using way more power when contracted to Makima-controlled goons, and/or Blood Devil Power's durability isn't as good as her Blood Manipulation's attack potency.
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At least Tier 8(9? idk) physically, 8-A w/Devil Powers
Fish Devil and Eternity Devil were powered by Gun Devil flesh.
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That's after she was ripped by the Mantis Devil, leaving her open.
I wouldn't say Yuko took less damage, as Mantis sliced off an entire tendril with a clean cut. But other than that, I see the vision for your scaling, it makes sense for the empowerment to divide itself between her abilities and physical strength, rather than just physical strength for Pochita.
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I'm liking Ch. 183 more as I think about it more.
Pochita swallowing and then regurgitating stuff like Snow and Bitterness has given Denji a really unique position of being able to compare himself without the happy memories w/ his loved ones that became painful after they died, versus remembering them, and finds that having them was better, even if remembering is painful.
It's also interesting how Denji finding his will to live this time has him much more composed than the last time, where he was sobbing in front of a TV. Also, when he says "grub and girls," that doesn't literally just mean grub and girls, it's Denji-speak for "good things," which to him are synonyms. [See mini-essay on how scenes are designed around information the author needs to convey, and how characters are filters that information passes through.]
I still think it happened fast, but that's Chainsaw Man pacing.
Also, we got to see Aki, Power, Meowy, Nayuta, and Reze, so automatically the chapter couldn't have been lower than an 8/10.
Pochita swallowing and then regurgitating stuff like Snow and Bitterness has given Denji a really unique position of being able to compare himself without the happy memories w/ his loved ones that became painful after they died, versus remembering them, and finds that having them was better, even if remembering is painful.
It's also interesting how Denji finding his will to live this time has him much more composed than the last time, where he was sobbing in front of a TV. Also, when he says "grub and girls," that doesn't literally just mean grub and girls, it's Denji-speak for "good things," which to him are synonyms. [See mini-essay on how scenes are designed around information the author needs to convey, and how characters are filters that information passes through.]
I still think it happened fast, but that's Chainsaw Man pacing.
Also, we got to see Aki, Power, Meowy, Nayuta, and Reze, so automatically the chapter couldn't have been lower than an 8/10.
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Final slight ReCalc I swear, the original calc measured Pochita at ~6' 10" when he's like 8 feet tall compared to Kobeni, which results in the measured size of his heart ever-so-slightly being smaller than what it would be.
Pochita's Baseball Pitch now clocks in at 511.79 tons of TNT and 50.72 billion kilograms of force, making it a bit better than his dropkick.
Also- Chainsaw Man getting a 84.8c feat that doesn't scale to anyone, and Mountain level world creation is hilarious (not that the latter works since it's a mental world, but still).
Pochita's Baseball Pitch now clocks in at 511.79 tons of TNT and 50.72 billion kilograms of force, making it a bit better than his dropkick.
Also- Chainsaw Man getting a 84.8c feat that doesn't scale to anyone, and Mountain level world creation is hilarious (not that the latter works since it's a mental world, but still).
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Initial Yoru's got an (unevaluated) Mach 4.48 feat for lightsaber-spinning the Aquarium Spear vs. Eternity, and considering initial Yoru's not super strong, plus Hybrid Denji fought a Gun Flesh-amped Eternity, anyone who isn't fiend-adjacent would scale.
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Actually it does scales to Yoru (assuming if somehow something was standing inside the trajectory, it would be hit by that attack) which gives Yoru an extremely conditional attack. Though ofc this is merely the attack speed and ain't reaction speed.
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You know that scene in Thor Ragnarok where he throws Mjolnir and places his hand behind Loki's head while calling it back?
Might work with Yoru, just has to know the position of something she can turn into a weapon, place her hand where the enemy is directly in the path or even touching the enemy, and boom
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Yep, just like that one.
And not to mention, Yoru could just do that with basically all of her weapon devils, so if we were to use prime Yoru, all known weapon devils could be used for the same attack given the right conditions.
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Standard Battle Assumptions: "Yoru's opponent is not standing directly in the path of the shortest distance to the Gulf of Mexico or Mount Elbrus."
God I love Chainsaw Man logic.
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Now Yoru got a weird and extremely niche wincon, cool! Also since the attack travels extremely fast, we could get some crazy AP scaling out from this (at least it's possible with Gun Devil, just gotta take the 20% version, calc the mass then x5).
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It's actually unusable KE since it's FTL, and the mass would change from a giant devil to a pair of arms somewhere in the path and good luck mathing that.
The full Gun Devil's a lot slower- took it five minutes to go Mr. Worldwide, and being conservative assuming its path is largely linear, you get this wiki's Mach 300. If it zigzagged through population centers, it averaged ~Mach 600, before getting diced by the Kazakhstani Devil Hunter even Sukuna feared.
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Aktually it'll be when Yoru touched it first, so eh. And I'm really new with KE calc, if something in the verse goes FTL then shouldn't we just screw theory of relativity over and change the formula? Or can't we? -> I got my answer already.
Tbh, I wouldn't use that calc, rather I'd use the 20% one, then add a multiplier (x5) to it since the Full Gun Devil was shredding itself simply travelling, it makes sense. The 20% one got the best onscreen speed feat in all of fiction, documented by the second, and I calced it to be mach 488.7988 (20%) and with x5 we get an astounding mach 2,443.994. Assuming the distance between gun devil and Makima when it stopped is 1km (it's ability range), and it's pretty clear it costs the Gun Devil 3 seconds to travel that distance.
A lot slower, yeah, but still a crazy feat (neg diff Sukuna even with the lightning thing)
Also, do you know what's the final calc for Gun Goddess's AP?
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The full Gun Devil would be 5x the mass, not necessarily the speed.
I saw the 20% Gun Devil speed feat you're referring to, and the problem with it is that we can't tell for sure how much of the 500km to Makima it crossed before firing at her.
[Gun Devil ability: Fire At Makima] is separate from [Headshot all kids in 1.5 km] [Headshot all adult men in 1 km] and [Heart-shot all living things in 1 km born in every month except three that make a Japanese specific pun about death and guns].
And that makes sense considering Makima is not a man, nor a kid, and she was shot in the head rather than the heart, so it couldn't have been the last one. So we can't tell how close the Gun Devil was to Makima.
About 166 megatons.
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It crossed 23km. However, we don't multiply the speed it creates in stronger forms as it makes K.E inconsistencies.
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Yeah, I thought he was referring to this one we don't use which has it cross 498.5 km.
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...Alright, this is 100% the last ReCalc for real this time.
Violence's Pothole is now 95,204.21 kg / Class 100, down from 3,946,104.49 kg / Class M, a 41.4488-fold decrease.
Violence's Pothole is now 95,204.21 kg / Class 100, down from 3,946,104.49 kg / Class M, a 41.4488-fold decrease.
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5 Hours (almost) left before Denji's 5 star course meal, place your bet on what will happen:
1: Denji vore Asa and Yoru (kinky, but unlikely cause he ain't Kirby lmao)
2: Denji vore himself out (could happen, also kinky)
3: Denji vomit nuke out and nuke the aging world (Oppenheimer ending)
1: Denji vore Asa and Yoru (kinky, but unlikely cause he ain't Kirby lmao)
2: Denji vore himself out (could happen, also kinky)
3: Denji vomit nuke out and nuke the aging world (Oppenheimer ending)
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tbh, could be true since Gun Goddess's bullet has proven that the fast one is actually the bullet instead of the devil itself. Anyways, I wanna figure out where the place that Makima was at is, but turned out it's a fictional city (why Fujimotor).
updates on this: I found out that the place Makima was in must be a coastal city (Angel was in a hospital in a city, a fictional one, Aki and Angel must've walked to Makima on foot so it must be close or in-city range). Here's the condition:
The targeted city must be more than 500km away, it must be a coastal city/ or a city that's near seaside, near enough so you can walk to the seaside. Between the straight path between said city and Nikaho, Akita must exists mountainous range surrounded by forests that exist moderate level of population (cities/towns in the path counts too), some populations could be sitting inside the forest and mountain range. In the path, about 500km away from the city you will have to find, there exists a place where there are moderate populations (not countryside, must be an urban area). The city must be the nearest to Tokyo possible that fits the conditions. AND Makima must be staring at land (since her back is the sea, all angles of her back), and that fits the condition for this city too.
The city I found is Hamamatsu city. Nagoya city works too (and works best imo)
For Hamamatsu:
This city is Approximately 536.1km away from Nikaho, Akita and is about 200km away from Tokyo (isn't too far for Aki to go on a short trip so it makes sense). And being 536.1km away means that Makima spotted Gun Devil 36.1km away from Nikaho, Akita, the nearest mountainous range from there is about 66.3km, from Hamamatsu is about 119.2km. Here it's said that Makima spotted gun devil from about 500km away and we still see populations, I found Yurihonjo which is about 22.5km away.
For Nagoya:
- Distance to Nikaho: 521.1 km
- Distance to Tokyo: 259.1 km
Mountainous range from Nagoya (nearest): 134.1 kilometers.
Nagoya would fit the conditions more.
And to remind y'all, the city Makima was in couldn't be Tokyo, the furthest distance possible was less than 500km
Anyways, I've gone too deep about this one, my brain is overheating, do what you want with the info (or just ignore it tbh).
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...This chapter reminds me of Toph being confused at Katara, before she sweat-bended them out of a wooden cage.
Also after all those theories about the potential sacrifice for Death-heralding, Aging legit just wants children to die. Honestly I can respect a devil knowing what they want.
Also after all those theories about the potential sacrifice for Death-heralding, Aging legit just wants children to die. Honestly I can respect a devil knowing what they want.
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Peak Fumoto, this whole chapter explains why Denji got over that quick, turns out, his heart has already been broken and now he turned crazy for the copium to work!
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