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They aren't Low 1-C physically, thus we do assume they are like that. So yes Naljians should have HDE like the Contumelia.
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Celestialsapiens HDE needs a revision
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Also true, though here you can use the WoG to support them being 26D-sized.
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It seems like the most likely assumption considering string theory was mentioned in the verse, unless you can contradict it, which I can but won't argue it here. But yeah Ig it could also be compactified dimensions without being bosonic string theory. But for the record, disproving the presence of the theory or any theory like it is what one should do to get upgrades.
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I was answering how the wiki treats it my guy.
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I'll go with interpretation that seems reasonable to me, tho, not necessarily contradicts yours as you can just go with your own thread if needed, just same as my aca 4 thread. I do not restrict or disagree with anyone's interpretation as long as they're vague and assertive.
Anyway no more 1-B Alien X.
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I literally can't prove that here, so I wasn't talking about that.
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Finally
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Finally
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He's just gonna come up with an other crazy argumentFinally
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Yeah actually, Naljians aren’t 26D. Apparently that’s a hot take
In case you want to know how deep my hatred for the Naljians goes: https://vsbattles.com/threads/ben-10-general-discussion-thread.121978/post-5115415
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While I acknowledge that, based on our standards, Alien X with this reference may not meet the requirements for HDE,
in my opinion Contumelia is a clear example of HDE.
in my opinion Contumelia is a clear example of HDE.
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Agree with 6D
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Upon checking again.
I do not think touching and cutting it qualifies for hde it is possible for a 3D being to have AP and range to affect higher dimension without being higher dimensional.
Alien X is originally 4D before this crt
And the proof for 5D would be if he is on the same level as contumelias
Honestly the reason why i don't really see 5D AX is due to how most of the reasoning for it is insufficient as much as i want it cause it doesn't make sense them being lower dimensional then them storywise. But then we really can't grant things with insufficient reasoning
I do not think touching and cutting it qualifies for hde it is possible for a 3D being to have AP and range to affect higher dimension without being higher dimensional.
Alien X is originally 4D before this crt
And the proof for 5D would be if he is on the same level as contumelias
Honestly the reason why i don't really see 5D AX is due to how most of the reasoning for it is insufficient as much as i want it cause it doesn't make sense them being lower dimensional then them storywise. But then we really can't grant things with insufficient reasoning
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If the 5D HDE of the Contumelios really fit the wiki standards, I can see an argument for that hold for Alien X in terms of story, because I don't think the strongest and most powerful race is inferior to the Contumelios in that way.
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I mean yeah but you gotta make that argument. And at best due to lacking direct confirmation it would be a possibly ability
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Alien X was originally 3D before this CRT due to "Our plane of Existence" being regarded as 3D rather than 4D spacetime continuum, in the context of the verse, baseline plane of reality/Existence is 4D as was stated by paradox. With them being stated to be Extra-Dimensional by MoA in their QnA, even their very DNA having passive HD Manipulation, and to be clear, it can't be a hax or range as celestial sapiens don't have L1-C range physically but with their "Powers/EE/reality wrapping", their DNA being used as the source of AP is justifiable but range would be more of chromastone thing who don't have L1-C physically either and hax such as EE, time manp, etc would require celestial sapiens to reach an agreement and stuff unless their very Existence is capable of affecting higher Dimensions not as hax but mere existing, that would imply them being higher Dimensional greatly as well and they're even stated to be beyond comprehension by non other than azmuth.
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pretty sure Firestorm said they confirmed the upgrade from alien X is 4D and not 5D which is why he is 4D before this said CRT
being beyond comprehension isn't sufficient evidence for HDE.
and i still stand with what i said last CRT about plane of reality and what it means
because time is not a plane of existence it is a set of points arranged into a line and one can be larger than a 4D spacetime without being 5D AKA Larger multiverse
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No, it wasn't confirmed, you can check his current reply, we decided plane of Existence to be 3D in lack of better option but in the context of the verse, plane of humans existence or reality has been consistently used as 4D, that's the reason it being used now.
DT did confirmed that spacetime is 4D and it is in general theory of relativity that we follow where 3 Dimensions of space and one Dimension of time are fabricated to form such. That's as well the reason for Alien X was 4D currently.
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Ah i understood.
And yeah that argument is incorrect base on my explanation on my last reply
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With this in mind, I see merit in the secondary source for a 5-D HDE.
Did anyone mention a primary source for 5-D HDE?
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HDE in general has been implied in the primary sources many times w/o we knowing a definite number tho, but CPs very existence being capable of casually altering higher Dimensions w/o using any ability or hax, same as 3 dimensional beings can casually alter 3D objects, so them being 5D in least does makes more sense if there is a evidence, They are superior race than anyone in the franchise as well. As per our site rules we allow secondary sources if the primary source doesn't contradict it or makes it seems off the limit information which it is not.
Their realm forge of creation was also said to be inaccessible, incomprehensible and hidden from anyone w/o the map of Infinity.
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At this time, I don't see an issue with them being likely 5-D.
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I can be okay with a possibly if its implied this much. Likely seems a bit too much
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I mean,
Aside from all the secondary sources,
It was implied, Celestial sapiens can casually manipulate higher Dimensions with mere their physical body (breaching wrapping Extra-Dimensional barrier), just same as we can do with 3 dimensional objects, we don't need hax for it. Alien X currently don't have L1-C range with mere his physical body but with his powers (energy explosion) and hax (EE, reality wrapping, mind manp) which he cannot use while being chromastone even if can use physical strength of alien x.
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Why does he have L1-C Range with his mind hax?
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Eh... Celestial sapiens had mind haxed entire verse into forgetting the changes they have made till now, although dunno if it's that relevant here regardless.
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Yeah its derailing though I think that can be less than Low 1-C and Memory Manipulation lol, anyways yeah I can maybe agree with a possibly rating but Idk people are still disagreeing
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What about passive higher Dimensional Manipulation? I think it's pretty blatant and no one really has any problem' with it either.
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Ayo that needs another CRT
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It's fine, things can be accepted in the same CRT even if a bit different than OP, there are dozens of CRT as such accepted and in dragonball especially it's far common.
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No no the problem is no one even talked about that passive thing and its a really big ability so I think its better to just make another CRT. Or you can get it added to the OP and make this continue for 3 more pages LOL
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Will be added, I'll say that it's pretty blatant as per our standards for 3 staff input.
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Yes. The problem is that probably part of the people who saw the thread before (and even staff members) will end up not seeing this new popstar if not tagged, so this will end up like the old HDE 5D from Alien X, which was only talked about later in the thread, the staff members didn't say anything and it was added anyway just because the OP was "accepted".
So either the OP is changed and people are tagged or it's better left for another topic.
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Yeah, that's why I tagged specifically.
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From what I saw you only tagged one staff member. And he hasn't even responded yet.
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Because there is just one staff member currently and I told OP to add it anyway, I'll ask others when they will come as well specifically.
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If we are giving AX Dimensional Manip then why are we giving him likely 5D too? It should be possibly or none lol
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Higher Dimensional manp is not necessarily hax shion, we can manipulate 3 Dimensional objects physically that doesn't have to be hax, it's just that Manipulating something physically w/o using hax or range all based on your physical body implies Dimensionality if there is evidence. I said the samething before.
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