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CC Goku vs Kratos
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KingNanaya
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wasn't this done already?
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yes but that one is outdated
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all these matches were created before both verses got downgrades/upgrades
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Again, this looks like an infinite loop
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I think Goku's aura will erase Kratos across history
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Monkey > bald
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Even with the downgrades, Kratos is conceptually invulnerable.
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yes kratos has conceptual invulnerability but the debate is if his conceptual invulnerability will help him survive 5-D history based erasure
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Try tagging the DBH supporters
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So how does Goku even kill Kratos when his CM Type 1 AE Type 2 keep's him alive
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Goku FRA
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- Abstract Existence (Type 2; Gained Hope itself,[34] and is unable to die as long as Hope exists)
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yeah????
AE 2 is interactable
he just has conceptual invulnerability, he doesn't turn into the concept of hope itself if thats what ur saying
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Kratos himself is interactable, The Power of Hope itself isnt, and Goku cant stop the Power of Hope from bring Kratos back
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so goku's aura will delete kratos from history over and over
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Doesn’t matter, this Goku have a passive 5D History Erasure Aura that is massively layered and Infinite Stamina. He will continuously erase Kratos when he is revived, that will result incapacitation.
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CC Goku just looks in Kratos direction and he explodes along with GoW verse
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thing is Goku's aura is passive but his EE is not passive
maybe Kratos can conceptually attack his soul before the EE
maybe Kratos can conceptually attack his soul before the EE
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Subjective reality goes brrrr
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that is assuming Goku would know about the hax for him to think to not be affected
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Goku’s aura has hakai energy within it, which is 5D history EE. Kratos can’t regenerate from history erasure. We’ve seen what the hakai aura does with Toppo, so unless Kratos can regenerate from history, then he’s cooked.
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that is also assuming Goku would actiavely want to erase Kratos from the Start, as also seen with Toppo, the user needs to want the energy to erase the target for it to erase
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Honestly, in that case, perhaps Aeos is the better matchup; she has many ways to non-lethally incap Kratos as well as the aforementioned EE on top of being far more trigger happy.
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i mean, wouldn't that just be a stomp then? i wouldn't call that "better", at least in this Kratos and Goku can win
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Well, for Toppo he actively didn’t wanna erase Frieza, but when he didn’t do that we see him erase anything that touches him.
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not really? his Aura was constantly touching the floor and it wasn't erased, and likewise in this case, Goku......isn't really the type who wants to instantly win without a fight, so to imply that he would immediately want to erase Kratos without fighting him even a little bit seems out of character, i don't doubt he eventually would, but certainly not as a first move
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I meant Frieza who’s still shown resisting hakai, but either way we constantly see that anything that touches his aura gets erased. This is what we currently accept as it’s what see literally happen either way. Also, any stray hakai attacks erasing objects. If someone were to interact with the hakai aura they’d get erased. It exists innately within the energy itself.
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Kratos has a random type 4 in his profile, Wouldn't that make him immune to change in the stories? Not to mention his type 8 and 4 immortality based on the concept of hope, i don't see Goku finishing.
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i mean...........not everything, again, Toppo and the other GoDs Aura didn't constantly erased the floor that was right bellow them, or that they directly hit with, the Aura can, and mostly, does that if the user wants it to, likewise it doesn't if they don't
unless the user doesn't want it to do that, which given Goku's character.....he wouldn't want at first, most likely he would want to fight him, which given his SR would make that happen, thus preventing Kratos from being erased
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Type 4 is kind of nebulous right now. Acausality is going to be revised again by Ultima at some point anyway. Right now, I don't think it does much innately beyond what is specified for the character. Kratos has type 1 Acasaulity as well which protects him to changes in the past but not the future. It should work on him in theory.
Edit: I was told the EE is passive in the aura. Is it not?
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i am not sure if that is equivalent? i mean......any attempt to erase his past to affect him wouldn't work, true........but i dunno if his includes the future as well, nor am i sure if such a thing would prevent history erasure
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Ngl, this is a pedantic point. We accept and know that hakai energy intrinsically erases things. You can argue Toppo wasn’t attempting to erase Frieza, but Frieza has tanked it before Toppo. Though that would still mean they’d have to manually disable it, not that it’s something that doesn’t happen normally when it’s accepted and stated to be the case.
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basically now it needs specification from the verse of what it does for one to decide its effects, currently in Kratos' profile, his seems to make changes in his History not work against him, would need a GoW supporter to comfirm the details tho
