CC Goku (DBH) VS Overlord (Ninjago) [9-0-4] (GRACE)

[Lloydblitzed]

Wtf? You literally just told me hakai is useless, and the other guy was telling me is too "complex of an ability" when I told you already that goku uses it as a normal ki attack. But regardless, overlords starting move from the limited time we have seen him is gonna get him killed so quickly against some of goku's starting moves.

Hakai is not Goku's starting move, nor a in character move, He can time slow or pause anything Goku will throw at him and win lol

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Wtf? You literally just told me hakai is useless, and the other guy was telling me is too "complex of an ability" when I told you already that goku uses it as a normal ki attack. But regardless, overlords starting move from the limited time we have seen him is gonna get him killed so quickly against some of goku's starting moves.

Let's now discuss Overlord's CM Type 1 manipulation. How Goku can prevent it and how he can protect himself from perishing in such scenario?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Let's now discuss Overlord's CM Type 1 manipulation. How Goku can prevent it and how he can protect himself from perishing in such scenario?

It being not in character for Overlord is a pretty good protection

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

It being not in character for Overlord is a pretty good protection

Bro told us about Hakai move, so let's talk about CM

 

[Lloydblitzed]

It being not in character for Overlord is a pretty good protection

He used that like...each time he came back, not really OOC

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

overlords starting move from the limited time we have seen him is gonna get him killed so quickly against some of goku's starting moves.

All of his starting moves were just toying with Ninjas due to the fact that he’s literally omnipotent in-verse relatively to them and the (fake) prophecy said he will enslave everyone once he takes his Golden Master form, so yeah.

 

[TiltedFN]

He used tentacles specifically in that occurrence because he realized that Ninjas are literally hopeless and their “secret weapon” was a very pathetic attempt, and he really can just win however he wants now. As I said, he LOVES his Corruption in the Dragon Form. We’re talking about an embodiment of Evil whose role is to counteract all of the good tbh. This would be his way to go.

He's not in his dragon form, if you wanna go by some of the starting moves, what has he even done besides use tentacles? Use a spinjutsu tornado? Can bro even fly in that key?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Oh right, Goku resist possession actually, can Overlord negate his resistance while he is a spirit?

I mean Overlord needs evil to fast return. Idk if destruction of lifeless multiverse is counted as evil action (I think yes), but it seems like incon in this way.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

He used that like...each time he came back, not really OOC

I mean, it was not in combat-applicable way

 

[Lloydblitzed]

He's not in his dragon form, if you wanna go by some of the starting moves,

All the powers of his previous Dragon Form plus:

Use a spinjutsu tornado? Can bro even fly in that key?

Goku is lucky he doesn't get speedblitzed to begin with

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

He's not in his dragon form

Same personality bud. Golden Master also happened 7 episodes after Dragon Form. The reasons why he didn’t just corrupt Ninjas are:

All of his starting moves were just toying with Ninjas due to the fact that he’s literally omnipotent in-verse relatively to them and the (fake) prophecy said he will enslave everyone once he takes his Golden Master form, so yeah.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Oh right, Goku resist possession actually, can Overlord negate his resistance while he is a spirit?

A good question. Never thought about it earlier. Overlord technically can bring Goku in his nothingness after that and either possess him (because Goku's soul now in his void with him) or make a deal like he did it with Harumi.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Goku not gonna use Hakai while he is in this state, you guys can stop discussing that. Ignore everytime someone says it.

Goku is lucky he doesn't get speedblitzed to begin with

I mean, even if he try, Goku exploding his aura gonna happen first.

 

[TiltedFN]

Goku is lucky he doesn't get speedblitzed to begin with

You wanna talk about speed blitz? Unequalize it.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

You wanna talk about speed blitz? Unequalize it.

That'll be too much. He has immeasurable^2 speed he'll be a literal statue in Goku's POV . Anyways Goku's wincons seem more convincing to me. Goku FRA.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

This is all good and great, but uh...goku kinda passively crushes him with his aura alone, goku literally only needs to blink too hard abd the dude is gone, and since goku in this state is animalistic, he isn't holding back. So goku would just either rushes in and kill the guy via existing too hard, or teleports to the guy and kill him with his aura, while also corrupting him.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I mean, even if he try, Goku exploding his aura gonna happen first.

Overlord scales to 5D soul damage, and can bypass Goku's resistance to it, so I don't see why Goku wouldn't die to a single GP blast

teleports to the guy and kill him with his aura,

Physically touching GM's armor = auto EE

while also corrupting him.

For the 100th time, Overlord resists Goku's corruption and negates his resistance to it

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

This is all good and great, but uh...goku kinda passively crushes him with his aura alone, goku literally only needs to blink too hard abd the dude is gone, and since goku in this state is animalistic, he isn't holding back. So goku would just either rushes in and kill the guy via existing too hard, or teleports to the guy and kill him with his aura, while also corrupting him.

Isn’t it just a stomp then
Like what can Overlord even do if Goku just blinks and destroys the Multiverse and Overlord too? I only see it as incon because Overlord’s regen might actually be applicable here for the reasons I showed

 

[Fezzih_007]

Ok, let me undestand something first.

So, the battle start and Goku explode his aura and kill Overlord
Overlord may or may not comeback as a spirit after days. If is after days, Goku wins.
But he have chance to comeback instantly if a extreme evil is done.
The evil Goku gonna do is destroy a lifeless Multiverse

Is destroying a lifeless Multiverse enough for Overlord to come back instantly?

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Overlord scales to 5D soul damage, and can bypass Goku's resistance to it, so I don't see why Goku wouldn't die to a single GP blast

Physically touching GM's armor = auto EE


For the 100th time, Overlord resists Goku's corrupt and negates his resistance to it

Overlord scales to 5D soul damage, and can bypass Goku's resistance to it, so I don't see why Goku wouldn't die to a single GP blast

Goku Resists 5D soul damage/Erasure.

Physically touching GM's armor = auto EE

Goku Resists EE

For the 100th time, Overlord resists Goku's corrupt and negates his resistance to

For the 100th time, overlord doesn't have a way around goku simply launching multiple ki blasts to boom him, or literally just flexing his aura and destroy him.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Overlord scales to 5D soul damage, and can bypass Goku's resistance to it,

Don't he need to negate that first?

so I don't see why Goku wouldn't die to a single GP blast

He could, but Goku Aura gonna hit first.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Goku Resists 5D soul damage/Erasure.

Get's negated by Resistance negation

Ok, let me undestand something first.

So, the battle start and Goku explode his aura and kill Overlord
Overlord may or may not comeback as a spirit after days. If is after days, Goku wins.
But he have chance to comeback instantly if a extreme evil is done.
The evil Goku gonna do is destroy a lifeless Multiverse

Yes

Is destroying a lifeless Multiverse enough for Overlord to come back instantly?

He more of needs enough evil to come back, he kinda did it pretty instanly after getting Sealed by Lloyd in S2-S3

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Ok, let me undestand something first.

So, the battle start and Goku explode his aura and kill Overlord
Overlord may or may not comeback as a spirit after days. If is after days, Goku wins.
But he have chance to comeback instantly if a extreme evil is done.
The evil Goku gonna do is destroy a lifeless Multiverse

Is destroying a lifeless Multiverse enough for Overlord to come back instantly?

As I said, it can be considered this way. Like, hell, it's a total destruction of multiverse - something Overlord wants to achieve himself as his ultimate goal.

 

[TiltedFN]

Overlord scales to 5D soul damage, and can bypass Goku's resistance to it, so I don't see why Goku wouldn't die to a single GP blast

Goku's resist shroom who directly attacks the soul, and he's infinite 5D. So he's not doing shit. Also it doesn't state on the page the resistance negation includes the soul shit.

Physically touching GM's armor = auto EE

Goku resist his EE since he's strong enough to handle the power. which is the Justification on the profile, goku scales to infinite 5D.

For the 100th time, Overlord resists Goku's corrupt and negates his resistance to it

No he doesn't, it doesn't say that on the profile and goku's is layered.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

He more of needs enough evil to come back, he kinda did it pretty instanly after getting Sealed by Lloyd in S2-S3

And it wasn't really evil.. Just disturbing the Balance because of too much trchnology. I forgot about it

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Ok, let me undestand something first.

So, the battle start and Goku explode his aura and kill Overlord
Overlord may or may not comeback as a spirit after days.

Spirit comes back instantly (or at least very fast), he will just be sent to his own Void (or if it is destroyed too, he’ll just be in front of Goku? Idk), his body does not come back fast usually

If is after days, Goku wins.
But he have chance to comeback instantly if a extreme evil is done.
The evil Goku gonna do is destroy a lifeless Multiverse

Is destroying a lifeless Multiverse enough for Overlord to come back instantly?

Likely yes. Which is why I think it’s Inconclusive. Otherwise it is just a stomp

 

[Fezzih_007]

Yes
He more of needs enough evil to come back, he kinda did it pretty instanly after getting Sealed by Lloyd in S2-S3

As I said, it can be considered this way. Like, hell, it's a total destruction of multiverse - something Overlord wants to achieve himself as his ultimate goal.

Spirit comes back instantly (or at least very fast), he will just be sent to his own Void (or if it is destroyed too, he’ll just be in front of Goku? Idk), his body does not come back fast usually

Likely yes. Which is why I think it’s Inconclusive. Otherwise it is just a stomp

Okay, is probally either a Inco, stomp, or Goku win.

Because technically, he could survive Goku first aura explosion, and hax him, but I not seeing that happen so much.

 

[Robo432343]

overlord gets history erased

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Okay, is probally either a Inco, stomp, or Goku win.

Because technically, he could survive Goku first aura explosion, and hax him, but I not seeing that happen so much.

That's why I try to see other options in this fight.

For now it goes for Incon because of Aura's explosion (this is most realistic scenario)

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

overlord gets history erased

By Hakai?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I think it’s safer to say it’s a stomp. Like my man gets one-shoted by an infinitely stronger attack due to the guy blinking? His come-back is gonna end up the same. There’s literally no way for Overlord to win this, he’s got none of his attacks getting activated faster than a blink.

 

[Robo432343]

By Hakai?

time power erases you from history

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Goku's resist shroom who directly attacks the soul, and he's infinite 5D. So he's not doing shit. Also it doesn't state on the page the resistance negation includes the soul shit.

The Profile says the Negation scale to the Stone Warriors Resistance and the Ninjas

• Negation & Resistance Negation (Thanks to Golden Power, the Golden Master is able to negate the Stone Army's Invulnerability and their Resistance to Elemental Powers. He even negated the effects of the Ninjas' Anti-Golden Armors)

This is what the Stone Army resist

Invulnerability, Resistance to the powers of The First Spinjitzu Master (Wields the Anti-Golden armor, was completely unharmed by The First Spinjitzu Master and required him to split the continent to defeat)

This is also the Ninjas resist according to the Elemental Masters page:

Mind and Morality Manipulation, Madness Manipulation (Type 1 and 2), Corruption (Both Types), possible Soul Manipulation, Perception Manipulation: The Ninja can stay on the Dark Island for an extended period of time and negate the effects of Dark Matter, with Dark Matter being everywhere on the Dark Island and the Dark Island being corruption itself. Dark Matter poisions and siphons the mind, body and spirit, even changing their perception of time

GM also possess the powers of USM, who can do this

• Soul Manipulation (was able to directly attack and defeat the Overlord when he was inside of Garmadon's body, without destroying the latter)

FSM should scale to the same ability, as Lloyd the same powers he does (only in higher potency)

Conclusion:
GM's Hax/Negation potency > Anti Golden Armor Ninjas Resistances = Stone Warriors Resistances > FSM's Hax potency

Stop trying to deny shit, and bringing bum OOC moves which is the only reason Goku didn't get shit stomped from the beginning

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

time power erases you from history

GM has control over Time, which in Ninjago refers to thread that holds reality/multiverse together

 

[Lloydblitzed]

That's why I try to see other options in this fight.

For now it goes for Incon because of Aura's explosion (this is most realistic scenario)

Im voting for Incon tbh, I agree with that outcome

 

[Robo432343]

GM has control over Time, which in Ninjago refers to thread that holds reality/multiverse together

???? time power is just a name

there is nothing overlord can do to stop getting history EE'd

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

???? time power is just a name

Verse equalisation rules.

Time Power in dragon ball and Time in Ninjago.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

???? time power is just a name

there is nothing overlord can do to stop getting history EE'd

There is! In fact, it even has its own name. It’s called “out-of-character-move-that-Goku-never-started-with”!

 

[Fezzih_007]

stronger attack due to the guy blinking?

Well, not nescessary him bliking, but is how fast he gonna expand his aura.

time power erases you from history

Goku don't have Time power in this key. But you know that.

Stop trying to deny shit, and bringing bum OOC moves which is the only reason Goku didn't get shit stomped from the beginning

Not really, but okay;

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Well, not nescessary him bliking, but is how fast he gonna expand his aura.

Can u send a clip of how it works? I kept sending scans since the beginning, while the others just yap about Aura and never showed how anything works