Castiel profile additions

[Nico-v11]

I'm avoiding that (haven't seen Season 13) so can someone add whatever we've agreed on and link it to this thread?

 

[ByAsura]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dorEN4B1oOM - here's the cosmic entity thing.

 

[The_Archdemon]

That's complicated. God had already ressurected Castiel, and Void said that angels and demons always go to him when they die. Also, Jack affected Castiel in the Void, and saying that Jack > God is unacceptable.

 

[ByAsura]

That first one is not necessarily true, Castiel's death at the hands of lucifer was when he was a human, also God might not have resurrected him while he was in the void, rather on his way to the void in his second death.

Can you tell me what he said? I cannot watch it right now.

 

[The_Archdemon]

Castiel died many times and saying that Castiel had not yet arrived at the Void is beginning the guesswork.

 

[ByAsura]

He died three before this one, and saying that he did is also guess work, so i'll break even on that and disregard it, just like the show did introducing this.

 

[The_Archdemon]

So, you better not say anything about the Void while we do not have greater information.

 

[ByAsura]

I suppose.

 

[SomebodyData]

If no one minds I'll change the op to say:

Time Stop (Reasoning)

Resistance to Mind Manipulation and Possession (Reasoning, the former being generic mind manip resistance and the latter being incredible possession resistance)

 

[Nico-v11]

Sure but only Castiel would get resistance to possession and mind manipulation

 

[PaChi2]

Sure but only Castiel would get resistance to possession and mind manipulation

I mean, God, Darkness, Death, Archangels are >>>>>>>>>> Castiel. They scale.

 

[Nico-v11]

I saw it as more willpower than an ability per say

 

[ByAsura]

Angel's enhanced Senses might need a bit of a revision.

When biting in to his sandwich, all he tasted were molecules, and this was with a stolen normal Angel's grace. I can't remember the episode, but it was in season 9, if you can remember, it was the episode where they try to extract grace from Sam.

Castiel was also able to notice several things, an infection for instance, on a man by smelling his corpse, he stated he knew everything about him, but this was contradicted. The episode in question is Hunteri Heroici.

It's also been stated many times that they can see atoms, and sub atomic particles, though i can't provide references, they are in season 5-8 mostly, one of them is the episode where Castiel explains "Angel Radio".

 

[Nico-v11]

There was a time that he could tell instantly that Dean was from a different timeline by just looking at him. So yeah it's weird. Honestly we should just have to explain everything he can do with his senses

 

[ByAsura]

That's already covered in his profile.

 

[Nico-v11]

Kinda? Not really. But if it's ever brought up someone can just explain it

 

[The_Archdemon]

Couldn't "tasting molecules" be considered Matter Manipulation at a Molecular level? I suppose it would make sense, since this guy can control atoms and Castiel is likely superior.

 

[Nico-v11]

Welp time to upgrade all of the Angels' matter manipulation if that's the case (as it should since Angels > Demons)

 

[ByAsura]

Kinda? Not really. But if it's ever brought up someone can just explain it

It's covered in the part where he can see a beings true nature.

 

[The_Archdemon]

Welp time to upgrade all of the Angels' matter manipulation if that's the case (as it should since Angels > Demons)

I suppose I'll make a CRT for Crowley. He ca and he had defeated angels.

Also, he was convinced that he could match Castiel - it was when Castiel had his memories wiped out. Crowley is certainly above the majority of demons. He also took an attack from this guy without being knocked out.

 

[Nico-v11]

It's covered in the part where he can see a beings true nature.

I'm the one who wrote that lol. I suppose seeing someone and noticing that they're from a different timeline would fall under that.

 

[Nico-v11]

@TheOwnMagic Crowley should be above a lot of demons on virtue of being the King of Hell but he's been repeatedly been shown to be weaker than Angels.

Anything involving him tanking hits from Angels is PIS which the show is prone to.

 

[The_Archdemon]

Hmm

 

[Nico-v11]

Besides anytime Crowley has killed Angels it's been with Angel Blades, their weakness, so it doesn't correlate to his AP or anything like that (or else casual 7-B Sam and Dean)

 

[The_Archdemon]

Crowley as the king of hell might actually be Lilith Level, who is above Alastair, who is above normal angels, so it's not necessarily inconsistent.

No, no. King of Hell Crowley is still below Princes of Hell which are inferior to Lilith.

 

[PaChi2]

Iirc Crowley as king of hell ''is'' superior to normal angels.

 

[ByAsura]

@own magic

I deleted that comment before you wrote that.

Also, that's someone like ramiel or Dagon, Azazel is weaker than both of them.

 

[Nico-v11]

Archangels > Seraphs > Princes of Hell > Regular Angels > Lower Angels > Regular Demons > Lower Demons

Special Demons like Lilith are different cases. Same with Crowley. So that's the scale you just gotta put Crowley somewhere in there

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Archangels > Seraphs > Princes of Hell > Regular Angels > Lower Angels > Regular Demons > Lower Demons

Special Demons like Lilith are different cases. Same with Crowley. So that's the scale you just gotta put Crowley somewhere in there

You forgot grigori

 

[ByAsura]

ANd knights of hell.

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Arch angels > Cain > seraphs ( zach and Naomi ) >, grigori > Lilith > princes of hell > knights of hell > white eyed demons > average angel > average demon

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Pagans would be.. kali would be above all of those except AA, uhh Zeus? Maybe above average angel. Fates above seraph and the ones below. Unless Zeus > atrapos

 

[ByAsura]

Zeus is probably above atropos since he's the head of a pantheon.

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Wasn't the fates above even Seraphs? Zeus could probably stomp em all then lol. Below Cain that is

 

[ByAsura]

Yes.

 

[PaChi2]

Where do you put the four riders?

 

[ByAsura]

Pachi do you mean the horsemen?

 

[PaChi2]

Pachi do you mean the horsemen?

Yes

 

[ByAsura]

Death is top tier, right with God, but not at the darkness, since he clearly showed fear for her.

War is at least Small Building Level for destroying a bridge.

Plague is unknown, but has Demons as his servants, so i'd say above normal Demon Level.

Famine casually tears Demons from Humans, and has Demon underlings, so he's above normal Demons.

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

War, plague and famine are all above average demon