- 1,162
- 416
- Thread starter
- #881
From subsonic to supersonic+?
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Calc Stacking in Tokyo Revengers
- Thread starter Zefra3011
- Start date
- Status
- 9,389
- 6,692
Yes. if he got faster and matched Takemitchy, then he is now supersonic+.
- 800
- 146
Someone who actually read TR in a thread no way (I'm pushing my luck I have no idea if I can reply to this thread or not)
MorrisHatesYou
Username Only- 698
- 384
Welp, what you said makes no sense whatsoever. You're implying "South couldn't properly perceive subsonic umbrella, so he can't be supersonic+", or atleast you sound like that.
The thing is 34.3m/s is the best we can use.
Takemichi can't dodge Mikey's kicks before he got the vision and Mikey could causally blitz him, does that mean Takemichi has trouble dealing with subsonic attacks? NO, because he still fought on par with Kakucho who is way above baseline subsonic.
This should be common sense.
MorrisHatesYou
Username Only- 698
- 384
Thank God, finally someone who can comprehend what happened in the managa properly.
- 1,162
- 416
- Thread starter
- #886
Even if you say the umbrella was superosnic+ South would be much faster than the umbrella so you can't say he couldn't percieve in first place
MorrisHatesYou
Username Only- 698
- 384
The thing is, we can't say the umbrella is supersonic+ unless it was stated that it was going at that speed.
So irrelevant.
Like I said before, 34.3m/s is the best we can use.
But I can say he couldn't properly perceive it, because that's what the manga illustrates.
I'm going based off what the manga illustrates.
- 1,162
- 416
- Thread starter
- #888
That's just your interpretation of it and south can't be 10 times faster than something he can't properly percieve he should see it in slow motion come on
come on
- 9,389
- 6,692
What are you guys discussing now?
RoggerReggor
He/Him- 2,311
- 882
Imagine regretting this.
He doesn't need to match him. Takemichi needs to match Mikey actually.
MorrisHatesYou
Username Only- 698
- 384
No it's common sense, we can debate it, we can even take this to other thread if you want.
We can even discuss it now.
The thing is, like I said, 34.3m/s is the best we can use. Like I said, it doesn't make south being unable to properly deal with subsonic objects UNIVERSALLY, because guess what? He stomps 98% of the verse, where some of them are quantifiable under the subsonic range.
RoggerReggor
He/Him- 2,311
- 882
Why the hell are people arguing about South being unable to perceive umbrella bruh?
South could perceive it, and that's the only reason he blocked it. If you are even trying to say that South couldn't perceive, then the whole verse should have a fricking subsonic perception. And manga illustrates nothing special, it shows South break in sweat when he blocks it. I agree with usage of 34.3 m/s, but don't make weird assumptions of South being unable to perceive it. The stuff like "couldn't perceive properly" shouldn't be used either. Even humans cannot perceive simple hand and ceiling fan movements and it creates a blur, a character on equal terms with South should be able to do it as well, even the slower ones as well.
South could perceive it, and that's the only reason he blocked it. If you are even trying to say that South couldn't perceive, then the whole verse should have a fricking subsonic perception. And manga illustrates nothing special, it shows South break in sweat when he blocks it. I agree with usage of 34.3 m/s, but don't make weird assumptions of South being unable to perceive it. The stuff like "couldn't perceive properly" shouldn't be used either. Even humans cannot perceive simple hand and ceiling fan movements and it creates a blur, a character on equal terms with South should be able to do it as well, even the slower ones as well.
RoggerReggor
He/Him- 2,311
- 882
Exactly the same thing which we were discussing in the start, for 9 pages basically.
- 800
- 146
I want to say this, I don't get why Zefra want's to remove the Izana gun calc, you haven't given any reasoning so why would Agnaa need to check that calc
- 9,389
- 6,692
?
it was literally stated by takemichi that Mikey got even faster. If Takemichi needed precog to evade and Mikey eventually caught up, Mikey simply got faster.
- 1,162
- 416
- Thread starter
- #897
Because this thread started with only the calc stacking pronome but after earing others CGMs apparently the topic kinda changed to more general issues and not only calc stacking
- 9,389
- 6,692
What feat are you talking about here. Sorry I’m kinda working on a few other things at the same time so I can’t read the whole thread
RoggerReggor
He/Him- 2,311
- 882
You have it messed up.
Takemichi would still need a speed to dodge Mikey lol, precognition doesn't give him speed in any way.
- 800
- 146
Well you still gotta pose an argument talking about the feats debunk
RoggerReggor
He/Him- 2,311
- 882
South deflects an umbrella calc.
- 800
- 146
Page 10...
RoggerReggor
He/Him- 2,311
- 882
I am pretty sure he is topic banned. Involving in discussions with him might bring more problems. And Vapourrrrr, please refrain from doing so, that can bring problems to you as well.
- 1,162
- 416
- Thread starter
- #905
A CGM already did
- 800
- 146
- 1,162
- 416
- Thread starter
- #907
Bruh, I didn't know mb I guess
- 9,389
- 6,692
Precognition “boots” reaction time. Think of it this way.
When a character dodges, they have to do the following:
percieve attack -> think -> dodge the attack
Precog essentially lowers or even remove the time needed for perception and thought because those two actions have been done before the attack. So all Takemichi does is dodge. Meaning his body can evade at those speeds when perception and thought are out of the way.
A case can even be made for aimdodge but the panel used for the calc acts as a counter cuz his body dodged after Mikey began swinging.
Ultimately it should be indexed as “supersonic+ Via precognition)
- 9,389
- 6,692
Oh I disagree with the calc.
MorrisHatesYou
Username Only- 698
- 384
Why?
- 9,389
- 6,692
There’s no proof that the umbrella travelled or was thrown at FTE speeds. Honestly the only notable proof of FTE is Mikey kicking Taiju.
MorrisHatesYou
Username Only- 698
- 384
South can easily deal with characters who scale above FTE. He only knew that the object thrown was an umbrella after he deflects it, meaning it's faster than your basic FTE attacks.
Also I disagreed with Taiju feat the only FTE feat.
BOS Mikey can causally kick at FTE speeds, he can kick other characters without them ever seeing and reacting. Like Osanai for example
- 1,162
- 416
- Thread starter
- #913
Osanai feat is only superhuman considering the low reaction speed of Osanai
- 9,389
- 6,692
He may not have known what was thrown directly at him. From his view it may not look like an umbrella. So when he got a closer look he realized it was an umbrella.
Mikey kicks at FTE speeds yeah. The other feats just show consistency because alone they are easy to strawman as shit like “caught off guard”, “Osanai slow as ****”etc. tho there may be other notable ones I probably forgot but that scene in particular is very good.
MorrisHatesYou
Username Only- 698
- 384
MorrisHatesYou
Username Only- 698
- 384
It's not like a bullet where it's hard to find after a launch, umbrella would be easy to notice
Yes, and casually
- 800
- 146
Did you just say blitzing a human isn't subsonic ?
- 1,162
- 416
- Thread starter
- #918
Bruh
- 9,389
- 6,692
It’s a folded up umbrella which can look like a cane, a black staff, etc. it was thrown directly to his face so he wasn’t even looking at an angle to make out what it is.
It’s best to not assume the umbrella is thrown at FTE speeds. Osanai clearly saw something coming even tho it was fast, so his brain registered something but couldn’t quite make out what it is so he just slapped it away first and got a closer look.
- 800
- 146
Osanai scales to supersonic on his profile, morris is heavily underrating him putting him to superhuman
- Status
