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This is Var, there is no calm in varAlright, both of you back up. We don't want things to get too heated in here.
Yes, the fragment of soul that came from the Avatar.I'm talking about Sargeras' soul in Medivh, not the Avatar.
Indeed!Don't know where you pulled that one from, if even a miniscule fraction of Sargeras' soul(never stated TMK) is in the Avatar or Medivh, by your own notes for Warcraft as a verse, that person must scale to that fragment in durability.
That's a lie and you know it. You're now backtracking on the idea that you blatantly said that Garrosh's ability to use Gorehowl was shot and now trying to muddy the waters by retroactively declaring that you didn't mean shot at all and mean something else entirely.Udl, you're reading very far into things for a guy who tried to be Blunt
Cairne Bloodhoof, who fought with the cursed Grommash Hellscream, who'd fought against Demons and the Undead alongside his loyal friend Thrall, who we spend much of Reign of Chaos and continued to fight along with the Tauren, alongside all the feats he preformed during Reign of Chaos, which I won't bother with here since there are plenty enough to be getting of with;I think that going from briefly 1v1ing Varian bloody Wrynn of all people to not really being able to put up a fight against a guy with very few prior feats is a rather big difference, yes.
The mighty chief of the Bloodhoof tauren, Cairne is a peerless warrior and a wise leader of his ancient people. Though slowed somewhat by the weight of age, Cairne still possesses the strength and valor of twenty men. This great hearted giant knows that his people are in grave danger of extermination from the marauding centaurs. However, he has never given up hope of one day finding a way to lead his people to a new land where they can make their home and live in peace. - Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos manual - pg. 45
Upon the windswept mesa of Thunder Bluff, Cairne built a refuge for his people, where tauren of every tribe are welcome. Over time, the scattered tauren tribes united under Cairne’s rule. There are a few tribes who disagree about the direction their new nation should take, but all agree that Cairne is the wisest and best suited to lead them towards the future. - World of Warcraft game manual - pg. 165
Cairne Bloodhoof - Cairne is dedicated to serving his people and to watching over their safety in an ever-darkening world. An outstanding warrior, Cairne is considered one of the most dangerous creatures alive. Despite his strength and valor, he is a gentle soul who longs only for the peace and tranquillity of the open plains. It is rumoured that if he could lay the responsibilities of chieftain on another, Cairne would leave Thunder Bluff in an instant and retire to the wilds. Many believe that he is training his son, Baine, to take his place as chieftain one fateful day. - World of Warcraft game manual - pg. 167
Cairne sighed. He believed he could win this fight, or else he would not have issued the mak'gora. Life was not so pale and devoid of delight for him that he was ready to relinquish his grasp upon it. Far from it. He had made the challenge—and accepted Garrosh's decision to return to the “old way”—^because he needed to end Garrosh's arrogant, shorts ighted, dangerous rule over the Horde Cairne loved so much. He planned to take Garrosh's place until Thrall returned to mete out whatever justice he saw fit. Cairne was ready to accept it. - The shattering : prelude to Cataclysm - pg. 217
Even Garrosh is surprised by how fast Cairne is;At the last moment, with a grace that belied his bulk, the tauren moved aside and let Garrosh's own speed propel him harmlessly past. The ore tried to halt his for¬ward movement and almost succeeded, but not before Cairne had brought up the spear and plunged it into Garrosh's right bicep. Garrosh cried out in surprise, affront, and pain. His grip on the weapon loosened. Cairne lowered his horned head and rammed it into the wound, knocking Garrosh off his feet and causing him to nearly lose his grip on Gorehowl. If he had, all would have been lost for the ore. Once a weapon was dropped, the rules clearly stated that it could not be retrieved by either party. - The shattering : prelude to Cataclysm - pg. 219
I could go further on how Cairne was absolutely dominating the fight and other examples beyond any "oo, but the skill with the weapons thou" argument you might come up with.“Well played, old bull,” Garrosh said, panting just a little. “I admit, I underestimated your speed. It would seem that it's just your wits that are slow.” The shattering : prelude to Cataclysm - pg. 220
You literally made up the idea that Garrosh's skill "was shot" with Gorehowl not even a few posts ago.Yes, which is definitely why I like to have people check my profiles to make sure I'm not ******* up
I'm the sole supporter for many verses, yet my understanding of the verses are complete enough that my assessments remain iron clad, which is why you keep moving on from the arguments I bring up.yet mostly don't have people to look over my shoulder because oftentimes I'm the sole active supporter of verses.
What?This is Var, there is no calm in var
"This is war, there is no calm in war."What?
I know it's such a big heresy to DARE not use almost the same wording for every argument! But listen, Udl, I can freely choose to not repeat myself ad-infinitum.Yes, the fragment of soul that came from the Avatar.
You've swapped arguments now moving from the Avatar, to where you were arguing "infinity / infinity" to this. How quick the cookie crumbles
That's a lie and you know it. You're now backtracking on the idea that you blatantly said that Garrosh's ability to use Gorehowl was shot and now trying to muddy the waters by retroactively declaring that you didn't mean shot at all and mean something else entirely.
Cairne Bloodhoof, who fought with the cursed Grommash Hellscream, who'd fought against Demons and the Undead alongside his loyal friend Thrall, who we spend much of Reign of Chaos and continued to fight along with the Tauren, alongside all the feats he preformed during Reign of Chaos, which I won't bother with here since there are plenty enough to be getting of with;
Even Garrosh is surprised by how fast Cairne is;
I could go further on how Cairne was absolutely dominating the fight and other examples beyond any "oo, but the skill with the weapons thou" argument you might come up with.
Udl, Udl, handbag down, read what I said. I'm not saying Cairne doesn't beat Garrosh, and I'm not saying that Cairne doesn't outstat Garrosh(in fact I said the exact opposite, I said Cairne has better stats and very easily debated superior skill[as in, he should, but there's wiggle room for trying to argue comparable]) I'm saying Garrosh was not at his apsolute peak, not that he wasn't skilled with Gorehowl at the time, but are you gonna tell me you'd run at 100% if you got shot? Probably not. That's the point, there is no deep meaning like you seem to think, there's just a direct sense.Even if we downplay Cairne and wank Garrosh, Cairne wins at their base peaks
You are debating me not the version of me in your head Udl, if the guy making the posts is saying it's blunt as can be, and said guy has a history of being Blunt, you aren't a Telepath, don't pretend you are.You literally made up the idea that Garrosh's skill "was shot" with Gorehowl not even a few posts ago.
Clearly your assessment of Warcraft is Ironclad if I'm debating you on it!I'm the sole supporter for many verses, yet my understanding of the verses are complete enough that my assessments remain iron clad, which is why you keep moving on from the arguments I bring up.
Likewise, is why you keep vaguely gesturing to reasons while at the same time refusing to actually present the arguments in another thread.
I'm messing around Sage lol.What?
I mean, why stop now.I know it's such a big heresy to DARE not use almost the same wording for every argument!
Fantastic, you've learned pattern recognition.But listen, Udl, I can freely choose to not repeat myself ad-infinitum.
I know, my hand bag is down sweatie, let me pull out receipts;I'm not saying Cairne doesn't beat Garrosh
This was in response to;Udl, you're reading very far into things for a guy who tried to be Blunt
Which was in response to;Implication here is that he isn't skilled with two-handed axes, especially by saying it was "shot".
Don't try and weasel out of this with some argument of "Oh, I didn't mean shot as in the meaning of shot, I just meant..." because it's obvious what you meant by it and now you're backtracking. Hard.
Hope this helps.Udl, mate, I could come up with excuses to not make Garrosh lose to Cairne in first key currently, such as he'd juet gotten Gorehowl so his skill was shot
No, you just said you could and then made up a lie to try and pseudo-flex some sort of knowledge you don't have.I'm not saying Cairne doesn't beat Garrosh
Liar.I'm saying Garrosh was not at his apsolute peak, not that he wasn't skilled with Gorehowl at the time
such as he'd juet gotten Gorehowl so his skill was shot
All of WC3: Reign of ChaosAnd I'm also not saying Cairne isn't skilled, I'm just saying he has few FEATS, as in, he doesn't really do shit on-screen.
No, I'm responding to what you write.You are debating me not the version of me in your head Udl
Nah, I'm that/b!tch.nobody's the end all be all Udl
You could debate me on self-evident claims like the Sky is blue. Debating a topic doesn't mean it isn't ironclad or a strong point, given to the fact that you've dropped points throughout this debate despite constantly gesturing to being in contact with ******* God.Clearly your assessment of Warcraft is Ironclad if I'm debating you on it!
Because, oh dear myriadofmemes, some of us have better things to do then argue in circles and hoping that now, the 50th time repeating the same argument with different wording, that the other side will understand!I mean, why stop now.
What am I thinking right now then? Go ahead, since you're Telepathic, tell me! I'm even writing it down so I can cross-check the answer you give with utmost accuracy!No, you just said you could and then made up a lie to try and pseudo-flex some sort of knowledge you don't have.
Liar.
Myriadofmemes, I drop points because unlike you, I actually want to have a fruitful debate instead of beating my head against a brick wall when neither side will be conceding or compromisingYou could debate me on self-evident claims like the Sky is blue. Debating a topic doesn't mean it isn't ironclad or a strong point, given to the fact that you've dropped points throughout this debate despite constantly gesturing to being in contact with ******* God.
Ah, I forgot, the reading comprehension issue.Because, oh dear myriadofmemes, some of us have better things to do then argue in circles and hoping that now, the 50th time repeating the same argument with different wording, that the other side will understand!
I don't have to be telepathy. I only need to fulfil;What am I thinking right now then? Go ahead, since you're Telepathic, tell me! I'm even writing it down so I can cross-check the answer you give with utmost accuracy!
Well, the answer is simply obvious. I'm not some cowardly "we must meet in the middle" Sophist, it's blatant given your inability to source anything except by vaguely gesturing towards it while I have repeatedly bestowed facts, feats and statements to back up all of my conclusions, that you are simply in the wrong and have deluded yourself that I'm just being rude or stonewalling.Myriadofmemes, I drop points because unlike you, I actually want to have a fruitful debate instead of beating my head against a brick wall when neither side will be conceding or compromising
1. Very rich coming from youAh, I forgot, the reading comprehension issue.
I'll elaborate.
"Why stop now, that's all you've been doing."
So basically you're assuming what I meant and sticking to it like a locust to a fresh sproutI don't have to be telepathy. I only need to fulfil;
The balance of Probability
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Beyond reasonable doubt.
I'm afraid, it's blatant now that you're back tracking with the upmost speed.
I could say the same of you Udl, we both think our arguments are correct and that the opposition's are wrong, it is what it is lolWell, the answer is simply obvious. I'm not some cowardly "we must meet in the middle" Sophist, it's blatant given your inability to source anything except by vaguely gesturing towards it while I have repeatedly bestowed facts, feats and statements to back up all of my conclusions, that you are simply in the wrong and have deluded yourself that I'm just being rude or stonewalling.
Perhaps the right answer doesn't lie between us. And given the past week of arguing, it certainly doesn't lie with you.
Yes, well, it'll happen if you keep responding with the same thing I already addressed.I got bored of arguing in circles, simple as that.
No. I'm taking the meaning of "shot" and disregarding your further attempts at trying to resend the statement and reframe it.So basically you're assuming what I meant and sticking to it like a locust to a fresh sprout
Similar how the courts can decide if someone intended a criminal act.Udl, you said it yourself, you're not a telepath, so why are you trying to tell ME what I actually meant?
Sorry, Rowling. I don't think Hermione is black.You are like the guy who was arguing with the person who WROTE THE RESEARCH PAPER as to what said paper actually meant.
Indeed, but I'm not the one appealing to a foreign entity, not the one who refuses to provide facts or evidence to back up their claims, but I am the one who has presented several examples to back up my claims, debunked your absurd argument that avatars are "infinity/infinity" of the true form, pointed out, rightly, that your constant assertions towards a careful and more consistent view on the tiering of WoW has fallen flat on the very fact you're using an RPG calculation made by Bambu with my support as justification for the entirety of Tier 7.I could say the same of you Udl, we both think our arguments are correct and that the opposition's are wrong, it is what it is lol
Alright Genius, let's go through in three stepsYes, well, it'll happen if you keep responding with the same thing I already addressed.
No. I'm taking the meaning of "shot" and disregarding your further attempts at trying to resend the statement and reframe it.
Similar how the courts can decide if someone intended a criminal act.
Sometimes, it only falls within the balance of probability, other times, it's beyond reasonable doubt.
This is one of those times. I don't need to be psychic, you're transparent.
Sorry, Rowling. I don't think Hermione is black.
Indeed, but I'm not the one appealing to a foreign entity, not the one who refuses to provide facts or evidence to back up their claims, but I am the one who has presented several examples to back up my claims, debunked your absurd argument that avatars are "infinity/infinity" of the true form, pointed out, rightly, that your constant assertions towards a careful and more consistent view on the tiering of WoW has fallen flat on the very fact you're using an RPG calculation made by Bambu with my support as justification for the entirety of Tier 7.
Need I go on? You've embarrassed yourself enough in this thread alone.
You see, Udl, when you're going out of your way to try and discredit a calc, for the love of hades be right, okay? Bambu even said that there's a 3ish meter difference so there's very little to be saidThe RPG is non-canon, so even though in-game values are probably a bit lower than they actually are in-lore, we're using those. If Udl gets his way with making RPG profiles, then the old values still apply to that.
And there's obvious proof you're backtracking now.there's proof in the Harry Potter books themselves that Rowling was talking out of her ass, you made an assumption of what I meant, and don't have proof you're correct in your assumption.
Nah, I don't mind the bible throwing, I just didn't like that it wasn't going anywhere productive.I'm not going to argue with you until one of us either ******* dies or quits VSBW, go find M2B3/myriadofmemes' Discord or other social media or see if he's still active here if you want to have an endless debate on Warcraft, I'm not your guy because I don't give enough ***** to argue about scaling for an entire versus thread. You do you.Also, you not liking debating in bibles is what got you to quit scaling the verse here in the first place, I just find that funny
Wasn't discrediting a calc, was discrediting your use of it.You see, Udl, when you're going out of your way to try and discredit a calc, for the love of hades be right, okay? Bambu even said that there's a 3ish meter difference so there's very little to be said
If the DaReaperMan in your head is doing so then they are an eejit.And there's obvious proof you're backtracking now.
LMFAONah, I don't mind the bible throwing, I just didn't like that it wasn't going anywhere productive.
Wasn't discrediting a calc, was discrediting your use of it.
Also, in the game, there's what? 40ish needles? Compared to "at least a thousand of them" as stated in the RPG. The calc uses mountain sizes too, if you were to actually calculate how big Thousand Needles is in game along with the mountain border, it'd be far lower.
Well. Consider the original calc valid, then, given this changes the height by a measly 3-ish meters.
Cool story.Here's how I see it
You literally brought up all the stuff with Mannoroth and then continued to debate me on the alternate timeline stuff, I came to give my opinion on why Cairne beats Grommash, you was bringing up Tier 1 Sargeras and Planet level entities.Oh, that's rich, considering you're still here arguing with me about shit that doesn't matter, and isn't going anywhere productive. We are both stubborn and think we're right, the sooner you accept that, the better, because you sure as **** ain't getting the last word from me lol
Very, very rich coming from you considering the belowCool story.
The backtracking is just pretty obvious, and it's obvious you're doing it by not only how defence you've being but how you're trying to frame it as me reading too deeply into it, me not having the "authority" to say so and me also really wanting a gatcha moment.
Mannoroth came about because of current scaling(hell, I didn't even play the circular scaling card I couldve because of Thrall due to not thinking about it at the time)You literally brought up all the stuff with Mannoroth and then continued to debate me on the alternate timeline stuff, I came to give my opinion on why Cairne beats Grommash, you was bringing up Tier 1 Sargeras and Planet level entities.
(I'd hope after two months things have calmed down lol)Oh snap , I think I might post a RDR meme just to represent how I got into this situation lol. In the meantime, I'll analyze the fight+thread and wait for emotions to dim down.
(I'd hope after two months things have calmed down lol)
They've been on the backburner while I finish some projects. I was also ill for a few weeks so even they started to die down.BTW, any progress on WoW RPG profiles?