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Byakuya vs Kizaru
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You linked Kizaru's profule for both of these
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Quick stat comparison for TYBW Byakuya vs Big Kizzy:
AP: >11 Exatons, higher with Shikai/Bankai, 2x that with Senkei, far higher with Shukei vs 67.2 Exatons, higher with Haki.
Speed: Equal, but Byakuya's Bankai or Shunpo, and Kizaru's acceleration(which he did not use in Marineford, but possibly could), both amp speed, though Kizaru's light beams are slower than his regular attacks
Dura: >11 Exatons, higher with Bankai vs 67.2 Exatons, higher with Haki.
LS: Class M/Class T vs Class E
Stamina: >characters who can do several days, he himself can keep fighting while bleeding out even after his organs were gouged out, including his entire stomach, and he's been hit with his own stolen Bankai, while simultaneously having his willpower depleted by supernatural fear, vs ~characters who can fight each other for 10 days despite being comparable, though he is a miniscule amount weaker than at least one of those two
Range: Extended Melee with Zanpakuto, hundreds of meters with Bankai and Kido vs Extended melee range due to being 9'11(302cm), higher with light sword, hundreds of meters with lasers
Gear: Oken Clothing(Very good defense) vs snail watch(calls people)
Intelligence: Genius vs Above Average, but I'd say Kizaru would realistically be Gifted at least
AP: >11 Exatons, higher with Shikai/Bankai, 2x that with Senkei, far higher with Shukei vs 67.2 Exatons, higher with Haki.
Speed: Equal, but Byakuya's Bankai or Shunpo, and Kizaru's acceleration(which he did not use in Marineford, but possibly could), both amp speed, though Kizaru's light beams are slower than his regular attacks
Dura: >11 Exatons, higher with Bankai vs 67.2 Exatons, higher with Haki.
LS: Class M/Class T vs Class E
Stamina: >characters who can do several days, he himself can keep fighting while bleeding out even after his organs were gouged out, including his entire stomach, and he's been hit with his own stolen Bankai, while simultaneously having his willpower depleted by supernatural fear, vs ~characters who can fight each other for 10 days despite being comparable, though he is a miniscule amount weaker than at least one of those two
Range: Extended Melee with Zanpakuto, hundreds of meters with Bankai and Kido vs Extended melee range due to being 9'11(302cm), higher with light sword, hundreds of meters with lasers
Gear: Oken Clothing(Very good defense) vs snail watch(calls people)
Intelligence: Genius vs Above Average, but I'd say Kizaru would realistically be Gifted at least
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Kizaru's attacks have nearly 6x more AP and have heat-based durabilty negation. Senbonzakura would not be able to stop the light jewels. They will blow holes through them and continue to go toward Byakua.
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That's 6x to base. In Bankai it's less and with Senkei he's at 22 exatons which makes him only 3x stronger. Looking at light jewels, Kizaru shoots it from his hands so its gonna be easy to predict. Byakuya can also double his bankai's speed so I doubt this will do much. Also this thousands thing is stated as a likely thing not as an outright statement and the links don't show anything more than dozens of attacks. It's not overwhelming Byakuya's Bankai which is a hundred million petals and still with Senkei a 1000 blades he can use at any time or send right at Kizaru. There's also Gokei to just surround Kizaru with the hundred mil.
The heat thing though does seem crazy, I'm surprised no one scales to Yoruichi's lightning or Yamamoto's heat besides Blut vene. Byakuya is the only one to bathe in Tenjiro's water for the longest so I don't know if he can resist it or not.
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Yes, 6x to base. This is Kizaru's starting move. Byakuya is not going to immediately be in his bankai the moment the battle starts. Regardless, a 3x advantages is still... a 3x advantage. AKA still enough to do what I said.
Kizaru can shoot as many as he wants. He is made of light and doesn't have a limit to how much he can send. No matter how many individual blades/petals Byakuya can spawn, at the end of the day, it manifests as a wave in which he moves around. Several thousand lasers each with with high AP hurling toward the wave of petals would fill it with holes, piercing all the way through.
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Ain't those way slower than his standard attacks?
Byakuya's Bankai isn't a pure AP thing, so "combat ability" is a bit more lenient for him.
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Not to the point to where they won't pressure someone relative to him when shot in large quantities.
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Yeah, but he could Bankai as a reaction
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I don't see why not. Someone who's 3x stronger, has a decent danmaku as their starting move, his Bankai's pretty useful for tackling that.
This still isn't looking like thousands. Where did thousands come from anyway? And it does matter, Kizaru's gonna have to keep firing a ton of lasers to do any serious impact to the quantity. Also Byakuya can double its speed so the petals aren't being hit as easy as you're making it seem with Kizaru having to dodge them. And I don't see how he's destroying them all if Byakuya decides to do Gokei to surround Kizaru.
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pretty sure bleach's soul manip bypasses Logia intangibility
and yeah his light based attacks are slower so Byakuya's Shunpo should help a lot in this regard, and once he realizes how much stronger Kizaru is (since he can just sense Kizaru's spiritual energy due to verse equalization), there's no reason why he won't Bankai off the bat
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I completely disagree. Each laser has a resulting aoe explosion of several hundreds of meters across. Byakuya only has a range of "hundreds of meters," meaning If even one laser hits the wave of petals, the resulting explosion would completely destroy all of them. Now factor in the fact that it's not just 1 laser but its danmaku which Kizaru can also spawn clones from to continue attacking, it's hard to see Byakuya easily avoid this.
Kizaru has precognition, meaning that he'd know all of Byakuya's moved before he makes them. He'll simply use his acceleration (which allows him to blitz people relative to him) to continue to chase Byakuya down.
Kizaru can literally disperse into the surrounding area's light. He's not being surrounded.
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When he does the danmaku it is never showing explosions that big, especially the vid you linked, its only when he does individual lasers. And if the lasers are going through the petals then why would they explode, the explosion only seems to happen when it hits something too big.
Yeah probably is gonna be hard to get hits in with that.
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Kizaru was not trying to kill him during that scene so he was holding back a lot, but the point is that his danmaku lasers are capable of exploding.
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Also forgot to mention that he could not use his max aoe due to not wanting to destroy Vegapunk's lab completely
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these aren't strong enough to 1 shot and also move slower than he does unless he accelerates, which he doesn't do in character off the bat. Byakuya can just sense the fact that these projectiles can just 1 shot him and then bankai off the bat boom now Kizaru can't do shit
Intermediate Kenbun is pretty bad precognition, he's not just gonna Ultra Instinct dodge everything, especially if Byakuya just surrounds him with hundreds of thousands of petals. Byakuya's Bankai also gives him a substantial speed boost, greatly limiting what Kizaru can do. As for defense, Byakuya just blocks with his petals
he's just dispersing himself into pieces of light Muzan style, something that Byakuya can just home his swords onto and hit him with
ya'll do realize if Byakuya touches Kizaru it's basically joever right
yes Kizaru has resistance to soul manipulation but not resistance to soul destruction
there's a difference between being able to extract the soul (which is almost every example of soul manipulation in one piece), and slashing it in half. Kizaru resists the former with his willpower but actually having his soul take hits is an entirely different problem
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They shoulda beat his ass for that one.
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Can Kizaru even see or interact with Byakuya?
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Only with Haki.
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Doesn't Byakuya have layered invisibility and soul-based intangibility?
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he does?
