- 7,065
- 1,450
With what scaling? Attempting to somehow scale itachi's non mangekyo genjutsu to everyone elses with barely any showings?
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Byakuya VS Itachi
- Thread starter Unoriginal_Memes
- Start date
- 14,947
- 1,823
apparently so lol. But just Hst mater things.
either way it is more than enough I have said the scaling above.
either way it is more than enough I have said the scaling above.
- 5,554
- 2,328
I don't see why Itachi would be unable to use Tsukuyomi with a finger, considering his clone could put someone who resists gejutsu in it.
- 14,947
- 1,823
shouldnt matter itachi finger genjutsu >>kabuto nirvana.
- 7,065
- 1,450
I'll ignore that.Rocker1189 said:
Either way, said Genin only dispelled it because they noticed the Jonin were dispelling it. And furthermore quite literally the only person who's fell for Itachi's normal genjustu is Naruto.
- 14,947
- 1,823
because itachi only used it on Naruto and at that point Naruto had learned how to dispell kabuto's genjutsu from jiraiya and could do nothing about Itachi.
- 7,065
- 1,450
The guy learned the methods on how to do it, but was completely unable to apply said methods. And he has no feats of resisting Genjustsu prior. Not only that, Naruto was the only one that got Genjustu'd, again.
- 14,947
- 1,823
Honestly logic should tell you that Itachi's basic level genjutsu is at leats the same if not much higher than Kabuto's considering that he was on another level to Kabuto. Naruto had no feats but was convinced that he would not fall the same way he did against Kabuto.
- 7,065
- 1,450
"He was onvinced"
He can be convinced, but without any actual results to back it up it's moot. And didn't we already go over how genjustu works? Why are you trying to scale it like it's Ninjustu again?
He can be convinced, but without any actual results to back it up it's moot. And didn't we already go over how genjustu works? Why are you trying to scale it like it's Ninjustu again?
- 14,947
- 1,823
?? I dont know what you are talking about,you went and decided something yourself and expect me to just go with it? Itachi is a genjutsu expert and thus is above kabuto adn he has shown he is above kurenai who is also above kabuto.
- 8,187
- 1,928
@HST
Itachi reflected the genjutsu of someone who is considered a genjutsu specialist and one of the best genjutsu users around.
Suggesting that one of the best genjutsu users around would fall victim to a genjutsu which is less potent than Kabuto's, when Sakura and Shikamaru could dispell it, is completely ignoring context behind the use of genjutsu in the Naruto verse.
"Genin only dispelled it because they noticed the Jonin were dispelling it."
^^What does this even mean in regards to this argument? They still had the ability to dispell it.
Itachi reflected the genjutsu of someone who is considered a genjutsu specialist and one of the best genjutsu users around.
Suggesting that one of the best genjutsu users around would fall victim to a genjutsu which is less potent than Kabuto's, when Sakura and Shikamaru could dispell it, is completely ignoring context behind the use of genjutsu in the Naruto verse.
"Genin only dispelled it because they noticed the Jonin were dispelling it."
^^What does this even mean in regards to this argument? They still had the ability to dispell it.
- 14,409
- 1,692
Pretty sure Itachi put Oro in genjutsu as well basic genjutsu at that
- 7,065
- 1,450
Suggesting that one of the best genjutsu users around would fall victim to a genjutsu which is less potent than Kabuto's, when Sakura and Shikamaru could dispell it, is completely ignoring context behind the use of genjutsu in the Naruto verse.
.....I never said that. I said that a B-Rank Genjustsu isn't Superior to a A-Rank because someone else used it which is what's trying to be pushed here. Genjustu isn't like Jutsu like Rasengan and Fireball, that actually do depend on the user and their strength. The context behind it is without seeing the Jonin release the Genjustu, they themselves, wouldn't had noticed until it was too late.
.....I never said that. I said that a B-Rank Genjustsu isn't Superior to a A-Rank because someone else used it which is what's trying to be pushed here. Genjustu isn't like Jutsu like Rasengan and Fireball, that actually do depend on the user and their strength. The context behind it is without seeing the Jonin release the Genjustu, they themselves, wouldn't had noticed until it was too late.
- 9,523
- 1,789
It has been brught up earlier, the sharingan can see chakra and thus can see Byakuya as a mass of energy. It can also see invisible people as per Obito seeing a guy who went invis.
Chakra would not equate to reishi it would equate to reiatsu so he wouldn't be able to see Byakuya he would just see the energy that is reiatsu crushing him. Obito saw the invisivle guy because he could see the chakra which he wouldn't see in Byakuya
Chakra would not equate to reishi it would equate to reiatsu so he wouldn't be able to see Byakuya he would just see the energy that is reiatsu crushing him. Obito saw the invisivle guy because he could see the chakra which he wouldn't see in Byakuya
- 14,947
- 1,823
there is no evidence that obito saw him because of chakra, Obito simply saw the guy when he was invisible plain and simple, and Itachiw ould be able to see byakuya well enough with his sharingan.Paul Frank said:
- 829
- 168
The fact is ... Itachi is far above Kabuto in his Genjutsus, the same that can affect hundreds of people.
Unless Byakuya has a feat of resistance at that level ... Itachi FRA.
Unless Byakuya has a feat of resistance at that level ... Itachi FRA.
- 5,428
- 1,786
Doesnt reishi crush only affect those with small amounts of reishi? I'm not too well versed in bleach so i could be wrong.
- 9,523
- 1,789
Reiatsu crush crushes those with lower reiatsu so for the sake of vs debates we just do it based on the ap of the opponentWrath Of Itachi said:
And it works even if you aren't much weaker the effects just get stronger the higher the difference in power.
If you're close in power you won't be disintegrated for instance
- 5,428
- 1,786
Ok, so that won't affect itachi at all since his AP is higher than Byakuyas.
- 5,554
- 2,328
Itachi FRA. Forgot to vote.
- 332
- 23
The evidence with Obito is that he saw his enemy with the sharingan, what we know about the sharingan is that it can see chakra in all of it's forms, whether that be inside a body, set up outside of it, or used in a jutsu, like the camouflage jutsu or a genjutsu (might be the same thing).
We have no acknowledgement either way so the most likely answer is that the established abilities of the sharingan is how he saw the enemy.
Now the reiatsu crush is dependant on a disparity in reiatsu quantity this is a fact, but unless I missed something, it also required the affected to have a resistance to soul manip. Without that, a victim has no chance.
We have no acknowledgement either way so the most likely answer is that the established abilities of the sharingan is how he saw the enemy.
Now the reiatsu crush is dependant on a disparity in reiatsu quantity this is a fact, but unless I missed something, it also required the affected to have a resistance to soul manip. Without that, a victim has no chance.
- 13,549
- 5,707
Also Itachi has higher AP? Unless he is scaling through a bunch of one shots above 657 megatons, he doesn't have superior AP.
- 5,428
- 1,786
They scale to toshiros 513mt feat.
- 13,549
- 5,707
All time skip captains scale to Toshiro's 657 Tenso Jurin. Hence the Mountain+
- 5,428
- 1,786
Can you link the calc?
- 5,428
- 1,786
Oh, didnt see that calc. Well that doesnt really matter considering Itachi scales to 600mt. So the AP difference doesnt really matter. As said above Byakuya doesnt have the mind resistance to deal with Itachis genjutsu, therefore Itachi Mind hacks and wins.
- 9,523
- 1,789
But itachi still gets hurt by reiatsu crush he just doesn't die instantly he also can't see Byakuya because he's made out of reiashi and reiatsu would be what chakra equates to so itachi can't see any energy besides the stuff reiatsu crushing him
- 13,549
- 5,707
Byakuya passively reiatsu crushes so incon at best for Itachi. Messing with Byakuya's senses also doesn't do anything when reikaku allows him to continue fighting anyway.
- 14,409
- 1,692
Itachi puts people to sleep with genjutsu or manipulate pain literally.
- 9,523
- 1,789
Itachi can't use genjutsu if he can't see the opponent
- 13,549
- 5,707
Puts people .... to sleep .... immediately? Oro, no. Naruto, no. Kakashi, no. Sasuke, no. Sasuke again, no. Kurenai, no. Kabuto, no. Sasuke, again, no. Where is he putting people to sleep exactly? He either makes them see random shit, freezes them in place or tortures with Tsukuyomi.
The last was saved for being a dickish older bro or for a genjutsu master with a sharingan so thats out. Random shit does nothing when reikaku lets Byakuya fight without his other senses and freezing in place will be broken the moment Byakuya flexes his reiatsu to reiatsu crush Itachi even more.
Edit Byakuya starts hundreds of meters away out of Itachi's listed range and can flex for the win already. Stomp.
The last was saved for being a dickish older bro or for a genjutsu master with a sharingan so thats out. Random shit does nothing when reikaku lets Byakuya fight without his other senses and freezing in place will be broken the moment Byakuya flexes his reiatsu to reiatsu crush Itachi even more.
Edit Byakuya starts hundreds of meters away out of Itachi's listed range and can flex for the win already. Stomp.
- 3,366
- 1,040
byakuya far outrange itachi with pretty his entire arsenal
itachi can't see byakuya
if itachi can see reiatsu the same as he can see chakra he will only see a gigantic mass of reiatsu covering miles and wouldn't know what to aim at or even do .
genjutsu have no real feat of working on souls and byakuya have resistance to mind manip anyway. His zanpakuto could also break him out of any genjutsu that isn't tsukuyomi.
byakuya can block genjutsu with danku just like he blocked zommari's control eye power
itachi have no resistance to soul manip and get his soul crushed by being at least hundreds of meters away from byakuya the instant the fight begins
Byakuya take this easily
itachi can't see byakuya
if itachi can see reiatsu the same as he can see chakra he will only see a gigantic mass of reiatsu covering miles and wouldn't know what to aim at or even do .
genjutsu have no real feat of working on souls and byakuya have resistance to mind manip anyway. His zanpakuto could also break him out of any genjutsu that isn't tsukuyomi.
byakuya can block genjutsu with danku just like he blocked zommari's control eye power
itachi have no resistance to soul manip and get his soul crushed by being at least hundreds of meters away from byakuya the instant the fight begins
Byakuya take this easily
- 14,947
- 1,823
Itachi can see byakugan easily via sharingan as it can see invisible people.
Itachi's level of genjutsu easily surpasses byakugan resistance. Bleach souls have organs it does not matter that they are souls genjutsu would work fine. Saying zanpakuto would break people out is a complete lie, to break out you have to learn how to do it, not just have some else in you, the person has to know the specific hand seal which the zanpakuto would not know.
SBA means they start within each others range and Itachi has been noted for being dangerous because he can out people plunder genjutsu across countries.
Itachi is barely lower than byakugan in AP he is not getting would crushed as soul crushing reauires massive AP differences as has been noted multiple times they are both withing the 7-A range. And when reiatsu. Crush was added it was noted to only work with huge tier differences. I have never seen people of comparable strength reiatsu crush each other, so don't know why anyone is bringing it up here.
Itachi stomps via genjutsu. All of his genjutsu freeze people in place and the AP is similar enough that reiatsu crush would do nothing. Not to mention that susanoo is more than strong enough to defend him from it especially with Tata mirror.
Itachi's level of genjutsu easily surpasses byakugan resistance. Bleach souls have organs it does not matter that they are souls genjutsu would work fine. Saying zanpakuto would break people out is a complete lie, to break out you have to learn how to do it, not just have some else in you, the person has to know the specific hand seal which the zanpakuto would not know.
SBA means they start within each others range and Itachi has been noted for being dangerous because he can out people plunder genjutsu across countries.
Itachi is barely lower than byakugan in AP he is not getting would crushed as soul crushing reauires massive AP differences as has been noted multiple times they are both withing the 7-A range. And when reiatsu. Crush was added it was noted to only work with huge tier differences. I have never seen people of comparable strength reiatsu crush each other, so don't know why anyone is bringing it up here.
Itachi stomps via genjutsu. All of his genjutsu freeze people in place and the AP is similar enough that reiatsu crush would do nothing. Not to mention that susanoo is more than strong enough to defend him from it especially with Tata mirror.
ProudLearner
She/Her- 1,215
- 441
Itachi Uchiha FRA
