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Byakuya VS Itachi

Hst master said:
And we only know he injected himself with their DNA. Along with no improvements shown, it's Headcanon to assume they were caught in it for no other reason than it being Audio based.
No I didn't. I said she knows the sign to release it, but is totally incapable of it herself.
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The improvements shown is them using his body, nothing more or less it is more headcanon to believe that they are as weak. I am just not going to bother continuing this.

Yeah she is incapable of it because she does not know a single technique, if she did she wold be on the same level of at least Kabuto.
 
He is saying that Itach's basic genjutsu is no ton the level of Kabuto's or Kurenai and I am denying it, but yeah it is useless even Itachi's basic genjutsu would easily beat Byakuya.
 
Rocker1189 said:
He is saying that Itach's basic genjutsu is no ton the level of Kabuto's or Kurenai and I am denying it, but yeah it is useless even Itachi's basic genjutsu would easily beat Byakuya.
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That's a flat lie.

I said Tsukuyomi would definitely be above what Byakuya could resist. But not basic genjutsu as he has several feats of resisting Mind Manip.

Tell the entire story this time.
 
where is the lie there? Kabuto's genjutsu easily beats out anything Byakuya had resisted and I am saying Itachi's basic genjutsu is above that level and you are denying it.

Also actually all you have to do is compare the techniques he used from the other sound 5 group and you realize they are much stronger than anything any of them did but maybe Kimimaro and with Kimimaro he created bigger bones.
 
The improvements shown is them using his body, nothing more or less it is more headcanon to believe that they are as weak. I am just not going to bother continuing this.

That doesn't make sense. You're trying to say the improvements on the sound ninjas DNA is the DNA itself. Which is ridiculous. Also I checked the Databook. Kurenai's genjutsu is a B-Rank genjutsu. And Kabuto's an A. I.E. it's nowhere near basic. And b4 "she's a genjutsu specialist" that doesn't magicially mean that she's able to affect people with lower ranked genjutsu as if it were top tier. Genjustu doesn't work like that.
 
Ranking and based on difficulty of use, not power, his might be more diffficult to perform but her's would affect stronger people since she is better in genjutsu. When two people use a fireball in Naruto it is the same rank but the difference in ability means that fireball stregnth would vary massively depending on the users. It is the same for every technique. And I dont see how it is riduculous that he improved on the sound 4's DNA it is shown in his feats with their abilites. And the DNA that is being used is his mixed with theirs. And finally it does not matter that he used their DNA what matters is that the jutsu used his chakra and as we know he stronger the chakra the stronger the technique which is in fact not head canon.
 
Rocker1189 said:
where is the lie there? Kabuto's genjutsu easily beats out anything Byakuya had resisted and I am saying Itachi's basic genjutsu is above that level and you are denying it.

Also actually all you have to do is compare the techniques he used from the other sound 5 group and you realize they are much stronger than anything any of them did but maybe Kimimaro and with Kimimaro he created bigger bones.
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You strech for that reach?

And no. You're trying to make it seem like I'm saying not even Tsukuyomi will work, which is a lie.


Ranking and based on difficulty of use, not power, his might be more diffficult to perform but her's would affect stronger people since she is better in genjutsu. When two people use a fireball in Naruto it is the same rank but the difference in ability means that fireball stregnth would vary massively depending on the users. It is the same for every technique. And I dont see how it is riduculous that he improved on the sound 4's DNA it is shown in his feats with their abilites. And the DNA that is being used is his mixed with theirs.

That's not how it works at all. It's a combination of both difficulty and effectiveness. Not one or the other. Also false equivalency. Jutsu like fireball justu can have more chakra pumped into it to increase it's, duration or strength. And yes it's ridiculous because you're essentially saying Tayuya's own DNA is enhancing itself. He simply injected himself with their respective DNA. He didn't make any further alterations on it.
 
Hst master said:
You strech for that reach?

And no. You're trying to make it seem like I'm saying not even Tsukuyomi will work, which is a lie.

That's not how it works at all. It's a combination of both difficulty and effectiveness. Not one or the other. Also false equivalency. Jutsu like fireball justu can have more chakra pumped into it to increase it's, duration or strength. And yes it's ridiculous because you're essentially saying Tayuya's own DNA is enhancing itself. He simply injected himself with their respective DNA. He didn't make any further alterations on it.
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which is not what I said... I said basic genjutsu dude.

"He is saying that Itach's basic genjutsu" not much of a reach even left the typo in for you.

Yeah and its difficulty likely put its ranking up. I am saying his DNA is enhancing hers and that is the case looking at how the others were enhanced.
 
Rereading The Fear, it immediately kills normal fodder from sheer terror and even people who resist it get dropped into a coma soon enough. Instant death via mind manip > knocking out fodder.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Rereading The Fear, it immediately kills normal fodder from sheer terror and even people who resist it get dropped into a coma soon enough. Instant death via mind manip > knocking out fodder.
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And there is a user who turns people into bombs via genjutsu which is easily countered by MS. And we have always compared mind manip and what it scales above via number of people not its effects. 600 people is still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7.
 
And we have always compared mind manip and what it scales above via number of people not its effects. 600 people is still>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7.

^^I haven't always agreed with it, but that's pretty much how it's treated on this website. I actually brought it up twice before (That we should focus more on effects of MM rather than number of people affected), and most people agreed to keep it as "potency = number of people effected" in both threads.
 
I always thought that if the effects were the same, numbers would break the tie, and that different effects was case by case unless one was so ludicrously above the other like mind hax in the thousands and mind hax by the planet.
 
Byakuya blitzes him.

And no GeJUtsu won't work! Same reason it doesn't work on Jinchuuriki is the same reason it won't work on a shinigami. The soul of the Shinigami's Zapaktou can break it.
 
Snoke123 said:
Byakuya blitzes him.
And no GeJUtsu won't work! Same reason it doesn't work on Jinchuuriki is the same reason it won't work on a shinigami. The soul of the Shinigami's Zapaktou can break it.
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exceot itachi has mind hax jinchurikki and so has obito try again.
 
Just saying

Itachi can't see byakuya afaik seeing souls in naruto isn't a feat because everyone can
 
So for example: if a guy had a mind hax that does some crazy as shit but it only works on one person at a time and he uses it on a guy that has resisted a generic mind hax that affects 2 or more people it won't work?

Lmao. That's dumb.
 
Aernasilver said:
So for example: if a guy had a mind hax that does some crazy as shit but it only works on one person at a time and he uses it on a guy that has resisted a generic mind hax that affects 2 or more people it won't work?
Lmao. That's dumb.
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That's how it goes.
 
Paul Frank said:
Just saying
Itachi can't see byakuya afaik seeing souls in naruto isn't a feat because everyone can
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It has been brught up earlier, the sharingan can see chakra and thus can see Byakuya as a mass of energy. It can also see invisible people as per Obito seeing a guy who went invis.
 
Aernasilver said:
So for example: if a guy had a mind hax that does some crazy as shit but it only works on one person at a time and he uses it on a guy that has resisted a generic mind hax that affects 2 or more people it won't work?
Lmao. That's dumb.
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theres a reason why it is only used like that on vsb m8.
 
How would Itachi use tsukiyomi if he doesn't even know if he's making eye contact, Also, iirc Itachi likes using optical genjutsu, and I question the effectiveness on a character with and combat capable sixth sense. Unless genjutsu has been shown to throw off chakra sensing?
 
Link Eternal said:
How would Itachi use tsukiyomi if he doesn't even know if he's making eye contact, Also, iirc Itachi likes using optical genjutsu, and I question the effectiveness on a character with and combat capable sixth sense. Unless genjutsu has been shown to throw off chakra sensing?
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. It does not matter what other senses you have considering ninja also all have chakra sensing and cant escape genjutsu, yes.
 
To the same extent? Then why is being a sensor a big thing, and extrasensory perception not on the profile of every single ninja?
 
Itachi was able to easily hit, guys with strong resistance to Mind Manipulation, such as Kakashi and even Sasuke (who trained 3 years to handle the damage and was still extremely affected), affected Naruto, who by himself had developed a resistance to Genjutsus.
Kabuto was able to affect hundreds of people with Genjutsu and Itachi is far, far above him.

Itachi mindhaxxe's.
 
Link Eternal said:
To the same extent? Then why is being a sensor a big thing, and extrasensory perception not on the profile of every single ninja?
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Not to thesame extent but sensors like Cee, from hidden cloud have also been genjutsued and unable to escape.
 
You mean sharingan genjutsu, made through eye-contact

I recall an analogy with people trying to place a genjutsu on a sharingan as a person born blind trying to decieve someone using color. Bleach characters actually use their spiritual sight more than their actual sight whle in combat.
 
Link Eternal said:
You mean sharingan genjutsu, made through eye-contact
I recall an analogy with people trying to place a genjutsu on a sharingan as a person born blind trying to decieve someone using color. Bleach characters actually use their spiritual sight more than their actual sight whle in combat.
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So what if it his made thorugh eye contact? Itachi just has to look where the eye is and he has put him in a genjutsu and Itachi would still be able to see him as the sharingan can see invisible things, that makes no sense and is stating to sound like a huge NLF. Fact is bleach characters have super low run in with mind manipulation compared to Naruto characters and the one character with illusions (aizen) ran through them easily of course Aizen is also strong but that is besides the point.
 
@Snoke

Yes

@Rocker

And Byakuya would also need to be looking right into his eyes at the same time. Also, haven't followed Naruto to the very end, but if you are referring to the camouflage tech, I'm not sure that is a fair equalization. My point is that sharingan based genjutsu are notably more thorough and potent than those not based on it, and I was essentially asking if a genjutsu not beased off of it has been shown to be capable of messing with a heightened extrasensory perception.

Regardless, I'm still neutral, and I need to go now. Have fun.
 
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