Butters Brackets: Round 9 Robin vs Sly Marbo

[Buttersamuri]

And So the first round ends! And now we can move to our next round and our first fight! Our first returning fighter, from the show Teen Titans. Robi! Submitted by CBslayeR, Going up against the next returning fighter, from the series WarHammer 40,000, Sly Marbo! Submitted by 00Potato

The Current Standings

Speed is equal

Sly Marbo scales to 0.468 Tons of TNT

Robin scales to 1.7 Tons of TNT

That's all, let's start this round off with a Bang!

Robi: 7

Sly Marbo: 3

Inconclusive/Draw:

 

[Jackythejack]

This should be interesting but I think range needs to be lowered

 

[Whiteoak019]

Sly wins. he's taken on armies by himself, while Robin need's his team most of the time when taking on large numbers

 

[Buttersamuri]

Isn't it like armies of fodder? And typically with range weapons.

And Robin deals with guns a lot. Since he is stronger, he probably could handle the range difference to not make it a stomp

 

[Jackythejack]

I mean Sly is more accurate than an Assassin yeah? Those guys can snipe someone from the moon

 

[Whiteoak019]

It's true this isn't a stomp, but after reading through both articles Robin does seem to have more advantages that Sly.

it also doesn't help that my only experience with Sly is from If the Emperor Had A Text To Speech Device

 

[Buttersamuri]

Well. Let's see what others think. Let's get the ones who brought these guys in on the thread

 

[00potato]

Isn't it like armies of fodder? And typically with range weapons.

And Robin deals with guns a lot. Since he is stronger, he probably could handle the range difference to not make it a stomp

Not really, he casually fights Space marine level threats with ease, Space Marines are super soldiers, some of the oldest and most experienced soldiers in the Imperium. He also lives on one of the Dealdiest planets in the Imperium, which has a whole classification for especially deadly planets, I will look for more details but their is no way in hell Robin is gonna win this.

 

[Jackythejack]

There's no way in hell most will beat him to be quite honest. He's a joke character in a stupidly skilled verse

 

[Buttersamuri]

Really. I don't care who does win. I'm just saying that Robin deals with guns and has a good AP advantage, so it's not going to be super new to him at all. And he has fought extremely skilled soldiers And Slade. And spade has some serious skill. So I'm just saying Robin definitely stands a chance.

 

[Sergeant_Hypocrite]

I think this ultimately comes down to whether or not Robin can get within range to use his gadgets and AP advantage before getting poisoned and shot to death by Sly. Stealth is useless since Sly's also a Stealth Master and his Sight. Could it be possible for Robin to dodge, or is that essientially moot here? ('Cause if it's the latter, then Sly wins)

 

[00potato]

Speed is equal and Robin is a worse fighter by a stupid big margin.

Sky scales above people who tank his feat, so no R Robin has a minimal AP advantage at best. No Butter Robin doesn't stand a chance.

 

[Whiteoak019]

wait thats right the 40K universe is insane. Sly FRA

 

[Buttersamuri]

Hundreds of meters vs Dozens of meters.

It's definitely plausible for Robin to get close with skill, and god experience and knowledge on guns. Stealth isn't entirely useless if in a darker area. But Sly does handle it well

 

[Buttersamuri]

Speed is equal and Robin is a worse fighter by a stupid big margin.

Sky scales above people who tank his feat, so no R Robin has a minimal AP advantage at best. No Butter Robin doesn't stand a chance.

Minimal. I'm sorry But No. .468 << 1.7

Even if sly wins. Your seriously downplaying robins abilities and skills

 

[00potato]

With skill, against an all aroundbetter fighter?

Sly also a stealthy boy as well so that is moot for Robin anyway.

Sly Stomps harder then Bonsly will to Slade.

 

[Jackythejack]

Sky is super skilled in a verse that is ducking super skilled. He absolutely floors robin. He wins

 

[Buttersamuri]

A better gunman. But robins handled extremely skilled ranged fighters before. Super natural beings stronger than him that he has beaten through sheer skill. Also being very familiar with his guns and having ways to Avoid or defend against it. You seriously are also downplaying his power by calling it minimal. When robins 3.6 times stronger. Which is a notable difference. Even if Sky is more skilled. That doesn't mean "Lol stomp" as that completely ignores robins abilities, experiences, and feats

And just no. Just because he has stealth. Doesn't make him better than robin. Robins got better feats in stealth than sly does.

Yea. Somehow I seriously doubt that. I'm not convinced Slade would lose. Let alone Bonsly would stomp.

 

[Jackythejack]

''But Warhammer is absolutely 100% bucking ridiculous''

 

[00potato]

Yeah I am mostly joking about Bonsly (but I am confident there.)

Sly has dealt with far more dangerous stuff then even Robin's worst enemy easily. He lives on a jungle where everything and anything will kill you and he is probably the best fighter of the elite soldiers of the planet. He regularly fights enemies on the level of super soldiers with many years of experience and intense training with ease and that isn't getting into the big feat on the profile itself.

He hasn't dodged any shots or stealthed his way through anyone even remotely close to Sky's level.

 

[00potato]

Also Robin isn't over 3 times stronger, I already disproved that above and I can even show you the calc if you want me to prove it.

 

[Buttersamuri]

Lives in the jungle where everything will try and kill you is not really impressive at all next to Robin. I'll say that much

Batman is one of the most skilled people on the planet, which Robin gets skill scaling from

Robin regularly fights super humans often far stronger than him, and does fight through his skills. The people he has fought have fought for years as well

So, those things just sounds like stuff Robin surpasses (like the jungle feat), Is comparable to (one of the best fighters in the planet), or wouldn't even be far behind on. Even if Sly is more skilled. This hardly sounds like it's a stomp,

 

[Buttersamuri]

Also Robin isn't over 3 times stronger, I already disproved that above and I can even show you the calc if you want me to prove it.

You failed to disprove anything. Just saying something without anything to back it up doesn't disprove a thing. That sentence itself contradicts itself

 

[00potato]

Yes it is, humans are the lowest part of the food chain there, to live their you have to learn to fight and hunt all sorts of monstrosities by the time most people can spell. Most people and even Space marines (the super soldiers I mentioned before.) will likely die. Robin doesn't surpass that feat no matter how you put it.

Sly fodderises groups of super humans without his full equipment.

Why would Robin scale to Batman? He is his sidekick but I doubt that puts him at his level.

 

[Buttersamuri]

Oh yea. Should also make this note. Robins suit os resistance to bullets (or a degree of bullet proof

 

[00potato]

His face is still exposed, so it doesn't matter.

 

[Buttersamuri]

His face is still exposed, so it doesn't matter.

Yea no. That is a Massive No. It matters quite a bit. It means his bottom half is protect making him much harder to hit. Especially from someone who scales below him as well does his guns. By over 3 times the amount until proven otherwise

 

[Sergeant_Hypocrite]

Overall, as of now, this looks a difficult fight for both of them (with Sly's experience and poisons, and Robin's agility and AP). How potent are Robin's gadgets against Sly? (since there are no resistances on Sly's profile)

 

[00potato]

The AP advantage is small at best (Sly scales above people who tank the feat mentioned in the OP.)

Robin doesn't resist Poison either, and combined with Sly sizable skill advantage and better eyesight, he should take him out with extreme ease.

 

[Buttersamuri]

Well. He has smoke pellets to disappear or hide in, Grappling hooks for Mobility and to get closer. Basically baterangs as range, his bow staff, elemental disks (basically like portable element attacks), and flash grenades that I can currently recall atm.

 

[Buttersamuri]

The AP advantage is small at best (Sly scales above people who tank the feat mentioned in the OP.)

Robin doesn't resist Poison either, and combined with Sly sizable skill advantage and better eyesight, he should take him out with extreme ease.

Again nope. The actual numbers they scale to puts Robin over 3.6 times as strong. And scaling above people doesn't suddenly drop that to insignificant levels unless we talking Po the Panda upscaling levels. Which I'm certain he doesn't. Even assuming he upscales quite a bit, unless you have proof otherwise to show it. He shouldn't suddenly upscale past making it a 3 times advantage. Which is still a good advantage. And certainly not what your putting it at. Heck. A 2 times advantage is good: especially since his armor can stop bullets on his own level. So it's dripping bullets on a lower level

Extreme ease is still a Nope. You've yet to actually put a skill feat that Robin doesn't at least come close to. The skill advantage doesn't seem that sizable. Robin has taken on The other titans and won, twice. He even beat then Master of Games who at the timeX had the powers of Cyborg, Beast Boy, Aqualad, Gizmo, Speedy, Wildebeast, and Hotspot all at the time. That is some insane skill levels needed to take on someone that potent in powers and abilities when lacking any real super natural abilities himself

 

[00potato]

Sly has dealt with groups of beings that can teleport between shadows (including his.) with ease none of that seems to special.

He could use the smoke to his advantage. His gun is just as good of not better then Robin's projectiles and the massive skill advantage says no to any melee combat.

 

[Buttersamuri]

Ok. So. Teleporting. Good for him. Robin doesn't use that so that point really has no meaning

Robin would also utilize the smoke to vanish or get closer. At least makes his shots less accurate.

Yet again you are wrong on massive Skill advantage as you've yet to prove it. All your doing at this point is saying "oh he has this advantage" with no further evidence to back it up. I've covered all your skill points with my own points that show similar levels of skill, and even showed feats that frankly sound more impressive.

 

[Sergeant_Hypocrite]

Right, well Robin's dodged gunfire before, and there gadgets that definetly can throw Sly off his game such as ice disks, smoke pellets and flashbangs. And the AP advantage is in Robin's favour, so there's that.

Okay, so I vote for Robin (with high difficulty) via AP, gadgetry and agility.

 

[CBslayeR]

I think Sly has everything going for him here, massive range advantage, the ap gap isn't in his favor but its not too bad, close in skill, various ways of detecting Robin if he tries stealth, and a weapon that can pierce through him and poison him so it seems like Sly should take this. Voting Sly

 

[Buttersamuri]

The weapon couldn't pierce him due to the armor. Which blocks off pierce weapons much stronger than his own. Over 3.6 times stronger than his stuff to be more exact. So it's not going to pierce him if a weapon more then 3 times stronger fails to with multiple shots.

The range isn't that massive either. robins got high dozens of meter vs hundreds of meters. So isn't too large

 

[00potato]

I already went over the skill advantage though. You haven't really given good skill arguments at all, I don't get why you think that you covered my skill points but ok buddy.

Robin hasn't fought in environments even 1/20 as tough as Catachan, you still haven't explained why it isn't a good feat.

Fighting Superhumans is far less then fighting groups of powerful, teleporting soldiers without your main equipment and easily handeling beings with decades of not hundreds of years of experience.

There is no reason to directly scale to Batman and even then, his feats pale in comparison and you have given me nothing to make "most skilled on the planet." Seem like anything but an empty title.


Robin would also get the same effects for his smoke though, sly could use his smoke for the same purpose since neither could see each other through it.

Your point about AP is just nonsense. The advantage is far less then 3.6, .468 is tanked by people possibly weaker then Marbo, so at best it Robin has under a 2 times advantage, this is if I am generous and say "Tanking something." Is about 2 times the dura and not more.

 

[CBslayeR]

Actually I agree with that so I'll switch to Robin for now then, the thing that bothers me though is getting closer to Sly is very dangerous since he could one shot if Robin isn't careful but I think Robin can avoid the gun and knock him out or freeze him. I'm switching to Robin high diff since I overestimated the range difference

 

[Buttersamuri]

You already went over it and yet completely ignore my response which covered all your points then. You fail to acknowledge the several feats I put down of robins skill that match or surpasss what he has offered so far. Read my response cause I cover literally everyone of your points of skill. And you act like I said nothing there

Fighting in a jungle where everything wants to kill you isn't that impressive next to fighting a group of super villains with super natural powers including magic, lightning, light, lasers, explosions, earth manipulation, and much more. He has fought speedy, who is notably faster than him and beat him with sheer skill. and speed uses pierce weapons. So that says a lot. Plus the skills I brought up before. Like his game master feat which is ridiculous

And so would your statement be considering yours is just you saying he probably is. Batman straight up is. And it's canonical Robin is within his levels of skill. You are undeniably wrong that Robin wouldn't scale to Batman. He literally is trained by him, fights with him, and has similar skill levels to him. That's Plenty of reason why.

Still let's Robin get closer. Which is all that matters. So it helps Robin much more.


And your point is nonsense. Your trying to duck out his clear advantage by acting like it's nothing. Both overplaying Sly, and downplaying the hell out of Robin. Your reasoning is weak and wrong. Just because he is stronger to someone who scales to .468. Doesn't mean he magically jumps up a few levels like your claiming. Your at best situation is BS. That's just overplaying the hell out of his level. He does not upscale that much from it

 

[00potato]

How could Robin dodge when Sly is a far better fighter with notably good aim (compared to Viindicares, some of the best Snipers in the entire galaxy spanning empire.)? If anything Sly would dodge his shots due to the skill gap I proved above.