Busters (Model 36, 38) CRT

[Tllmbrg]

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Model 38:
Added more scans, and elaborated on stuff in P&As. Also added energy manipulation.
Gave it an actual range rating and also gave it an attack speed rating (Unless one wants to assume that the Phoenix Force just decided to stand there and tank it)

Model 36:
Total stat changes, there is no reason to scale it to Planet Level from the known information.
1. Hulk was not weakened at all, his anti-gamma was replaced with a fake (Avengers: The Initiative Issue 4)
2. It clashed with Hulk before Tony even injected Hulk with anything
3. It uses adamantium, something we rate on that level if not higher going off various pages.
4. In the middle of the fight Tony has airplane bomb Hulk, which triggers a flashback to when he lost his wife thus spiking his anger, and in return boosting him to stomp Tony.

Now admittedly it seems some of Iron Man's armors scales above it (Notably 50, 51, and 52). However that's less of an issue with the Hulkbuster, and more of stuff after, so I do not think this should discredit the rating.
At worst if we don't want to scale said models to this level (Idk enough Iron Man scaling to say what should be done, but the main issue seems to be how 51 and 52 are supposed to be on Carol's level) just put a note that this scaling is inconsistent for those models specifically.

On a less controversial note for the Hulkbuster, I gave it a similar work-up of the P&As and added sound manipulation, bodily weaponry, nanotechnology, and radio transmissions

 

[Tllmbrg]

@LordTracer @Antvasima @Eseseso @IdiosyncraticLawyer

 

[LordTracer]

The changes to the Model 38 look fine, as do the changes to the Model 36. I’m not too familiar with the scaling for the Models 50, 51 and 54, but I’m fine with just removing their scaling to the Model 36.

 

[Armorchompy]

Missing a word in the justification on Model 36's AP, rest seems ok

 

[Tllmbrg]

The changes to the Model 38 look fine, as do the changes to the Model 36. I’m not too familiar with the scaling for the Models 50, 51 and 54, but I’m fine with just removing their scaling to the Model 36.

Tbf Model 50 as far as I can tell has nobody scaling from it?
So you can just upgrade that one no issues, 51 and 52 on-site would backscale to Carol is the issue

 

[LordTracer]

Tbf Model 50 as far as I can tell has nobody scaling from it?
So you can just upgrade that one no issues, 51 and 52 on-site would backscale to Carol is the issue

Model 51 is a direct upgrade and evolution to the Model 50, so I think it’d make more sense to just remove their scaling to the Model 36.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

The changes seem fine but I don't see why it would be radiation resistance seems more like power null since he is stopping Bruce's gamma, also if gamma is considered magic then would Iron man's nanobots be considered magic nullification?

Radiation Manipulation (His nanomachines can counter the gamma radiation), can emit radio signals

I'm sure you meant to have the "can emit radio signals" inside not outside
The tier section still has 5-B

Now I'm not quite knowledged on Iron man and I really can't distinguish between armours so what version of Carol is he going to be scaling to?

Being an Iron man thread I thought it was more of his more recent armour's profiles, I'm disapointed

 

[Eseseso]

I agree with Tracer

 

[Tllmbrg]

The changes seem fine but I don't see why it would be radiation resistance seems more like power null since he is stopping Bruce's gamma, also if gamma is considered magic then would Iron man's nanobots be considered magic nullification?

Radiation Resistance? That's not even on the page
Also, I think with the magic it's really not intended in the panel to be an anti-magic tech, especially not back in the World Breaker Hulk era. So I think it's safer to avoid that, since Tony isn't like Doom where he messes with magic via tech.

I'm sure you meant to have the "can emit radio signals" inside not outside

No, since I don't think it falls under any currently existing P&As

Now I'm not quite knowledged on Iron man and I really can't distinguish between armours so what version of Carol is he going to be scaling to?

No version? The issue is her scaling to him, which is solved by us removing various scalings of his later armors

Granted I would ask what Superior and onward (Besides the omega tier models) are gonna scale to but that's probably for later

 

[Excellence616]

Agree with everything but neutral with the Hulkbuster scaling. While Hulkbuster did clash with Green Scar, we already accepted he was holding back throughout The entire Arc. We saw as immediately he got his flash back, he easily destroy Hulkbuster. He did operate at Low 1-C level for real was against Sentry.


I can see a possibly Low 1-C for Hulkbuster. Man, scaling to Hulk is so stressful to gauge

I’m not too familiar with the scaling for the Models 50, 51 and 54, but I’m fine with just removing their scaling to the Model 36.

This makes sense.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Agree with everything but neutral with the Hulkbuster scaling. While Hulkbuster did clash with Green Scar, we already accepted he was holding back throughout The entire Arc. We saw as immediately he got his flash back, he easily destroy Hulkbuster. He did operate at Low 1-C level for real was against Sentry.


I can see a possibly Low 1-C for Hulkbuster. Man, scaling to Hulk is so stressful to gauge

Hulk's World Breaker key rates him as Low 1-C while holding back. Plus of all the people he faced, Tony is one of the prime targets for his anger what with being one of the guys that sent him to space.
Unless you're just outright revising the WBH key Low 1-C is the lowest you get from putting an actual fight against it (And Tony actually hurt him, and is using adamantium which we rate on people like Wolverine as Low 1-C so)

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Radiation Resistance? That's not even on the page

I saw it was the last power so I assumed it was a resistance, I think it can be both radiation manipulation and power null though.

Also, I think with the magic it's really not intended in the panel to be an anti-magic tech, especially not back in the World Breaker Hulk era. So I think it's safer to avoid that, since Tony isn't like Doom where he messes with magic via tech.

fair enough

No, since I don't think it falls under any currently existing P&As

Radio waves is still radiation though, Shigaraki from MHA has for the exact same reason

No version? The issue is her scaling to him, which is solved by us removing various scalings of his later armors

She is not scaling to him though.

Granted I would ask what Superior and onward (Besides the omega tier models) are gonna scale to but that's probably for later

I'm sure planet is gonna remain.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Radio waves is still radiation though, Shigaraki from MHA has for the exact same reason

What? Okay idk why that's a thing, but this is like noting he has a radio in his armor, which other pages don't just list as radiation manipulation

She is not scaling to him though.

She won't if we remove the model 36 scaling (Otherwise she'd become Low 1-C herself due to fighting the later models)

I'm sure planet is gonna remain.

They're planet from upscaling from 36 though

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

What? Okay idk why that's a thing, but this is like noting he has a radio in his armor, which other pages don't just list as radiation manipulation

Does having a radio on his armours even matter to have on a profile?

She won't if we remove the model 36 scaling (Otherwise she'd become Low 1-C herself due to fighting the later models)

Currently she has no ties with any scaling to Marvel buster
And there is already a note on model 36's profile to not scale it above all hulkbusters

They're planet from upscaling from 36 though

Model 51 is scaling of Carol and Gamora aside from model 36 so planet level should stay, Only model 50 has problems

 

[Tllmbrg]

Does having a radio on his armours even matter to have on a profile?

Yes

Currently she has no ties with any scaling to Marvel buster
And there is already a note on model 36's profile to not scale it above all hulkbusters


Model 51 is scaling of Carol and Gamora aside from model 36 so planet level should stay, Only model 50 has problems

Well then someone should find a new rating or feat for 50

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Fixing a small code error, regarding the Tier rating code that's missing a "{"

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Fixing a small code error, regarding the Tier rating code that's missing a "{"

Sandboxes are not have categories so that wasn't a mistake it was made on purpose to avoid the categories.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Sandboxes are not have categories so that wasn't a mistake it was made on purpose to avoid the categories.

oh... and here I thought I was helping out...

Well then, I will just remove it...

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Changes look good, including Model 36's scaling.