Buggy Downgrade CRT (One Piece)

[Damage3245]

A short and simple revision for Buggy at the beginning of the series.

His current durability justification is:

Durability: At least City Block level+ (Is fine after being hit by the Buggy Bomb Explosion twice. Took multiple blows from Monkey D. Luffy)

The first issue is that the City Block level+ calc for the Buggy Bomb is for the bomb's kinetic energy and not its explosion. Its explosion is calculated to be Large Building level. Buggy was never shown to be hit by the bomb directly; only being caught up in the radius of its explosion.

The second issue is that the second time this feat occurred, Buggy blocked the explosion with human shields, so it wouldn't be valid to use as a durability feat for him.

The third issue is that Buggy recieves some durability scaling from Luffy there, but Luffy recieves his AP scaling from harming Buggy (among other reasons). If we're saying Luffy is this strong for harming Buggy, we can't justify Buggy for being this tough from being hit by Luffy.

So Buggy's new justification should be:

Durability: Large Building level (Survived being caught in the explosion of his own Buggy Bomb which is this powerful)

As Luffy's next City Block level+ feat is in the Reverse Mountain arc, I think we should consider him and Zoro to be no more than Large Building level in the Orange Town arc, scaling off of Buggy - so Buggy's AP / Striking Strength would also go down to Large Building level.

There is no good reason to backscale his feats in the Reverse Mountain arc back to the Orange Town arc. Luffy has gone through numerous islands & fights between the two fights.

That's all.

 

[Tllmbrg]

I agree with this CRT
Further more I think the building destruction should be recalced since for some reason it calcs destroying the whole buildings rather then just the middle section, so this feat might not be 8-B+ to begin with

 

[Lemonade125]

Agreed

 

[Arcker123]

Naw. Not this early . OP is ****** .

 

[Kachon123]

We treat Luffy as if he didn't get any stronger between BoS and Alabasta, meaning that Buggy still scales to Luffy's Reverse Mountain feats

 

[Damage3245]

We treat Luffy as if he didn't get any stronger between BoS and Alabasta, meaning that Buggy still scales to Luffy's Reverse Mountain feats

Okay... I'm proposing that we don't do that. That's a long amount of time to backscale Luffy's later feat, and I don't think it is necessary.

 

[Kachon123]

Okay... I'm proposing that we don't do that. That's a long amount of time to backscale Luffy's later feat, and I don't think it is necessary.

Then make a different CRT.

 

[Damage3245]

Then make a different CRT.

No. Let's handle it in this CRT.

 

[Kachon123]

No. Let's handle it in this CRT.

Change the OP then. It's misleading.

 

[Damage3245]

Change the OP then. It's misleading.

Fine.

EDIT: Done.

 

[Eminiteable]

Okay... I'm proposing that we don't do that. That's a long amount of time to backscale Luffy's later feat, and I don't think it is necessary.

Why don't you think it's necessary? The CRT doesn't really cover that at all or why we should change it over preference.

 

[KingTempest]

Since yall won't let me rest, won't let me retire in peace, and can't argue

Here's a good idea

Finish this CRT. All your problems will disappear. None of those issues will exist

 

[Damage3245]

Why don't you think it's necessary? The CRT doesn't really cover that at all or why we should change it over preference.

There is no reason given for it currently on the profile. If there's no good reason, then why backscale when we can just scale that version of Luffy to his own feats at the time rather than later on.


@KingTempest Don't worry, I won't call you out of retirement. This is a minor topic.

 

[KingTempest]

Other people have already, and when we have an active CRT that pretty much deletes those issues, there's no point

Just finish that CRT, scale/backscale Buggy from Luffy for this, and boom. Problems solved

 

[KingTempest]

Also

Naw. Not this early . OP is ****** .

Cut this out

 

[Eminiteable]

There is no reason given for it currently on the profile. If there's no good reason, then why backscale when we can just scale that version of Luffy to his own feats at the time rather than later on.

It's not in the profile, instead it was argued and accepted in the previous CRT's that there was no discernible progress between East Blue and Pre-Alabasta. If you're planning on changing that you could at the very least give justifications why we should.

 

[Damage3245]

@KingTempest Do you have any issues from the proposals of this thread independent of that other CRT?

 

[KingTempest]

@KingTempest Do you have any issues from the proposals of this thread independent of that other CRT?

Buggy took the entire yield of the ball here without anybody to shield him or anything. He took the ball smacking him and he took the ball's explosion, so he scales

 

[Damage3245]

Buggy took the entire yield of the ball here without anybody to shield him or anything. He took the ball smacking him and he took the ball's explosion, so he scales

Buggy isn't shown being hit by the ball there. The only thing we can safely take away from that is that he was caught within the radius of the explosion.

 

[KingTempest]

Buggy isn't shown being hit by the ball there. The only thing we can safely take away from that is that he was caught within the radius of the explosion.

When the cannon is pointed directly at Buggy, he stands in one place, and he had to block, plus he's the one with the most scratches around him, he most definitely took it

 

[KingTempest]

I don't see a point of finishing this CRT when there's another one which will remove the problem of scaling to the ball by scaling to someone else. If yall wanna repeatedly edit Buggy then you can, but that's useless. Just finish the other one and change Buggy's scaling

 

[Kachon123]

Buggy isn't shown being hit by the ball there. The only thing we can safely take away from that is that he was caught within the radius of the explosion.

The canon was aimed directly at him. Grasping for straws tbh.

 

[Damage3245]

I don't see a point of finishing this CRT when there's another one which will remove the problem of scaling to the ball by scaling to someone else. If yall wanna repeatedly edit Buggy then you can, but that's useless. Just finish the other one and change Buggy's scaling

Since I started the topic, I'd like to see it through to its conclusion.

The canon was aimed directly at him. Grasping for straws tbh.

There is no proof that Buggy didn't move or that he was hit directly by it. When we see an overhead shot after the explosion, Buggy is to the side of the point where the bomb would have detonated.

 

[Kachon123]

There is no proof that Buggy didn't move

There's no proof that he did move.

When we see an overhead shot after the explosion, Buggy is to the side of the point where the bomb would have detonated.

We literally see that Buggy was hit by the bomb. I don't know what you're trying to argue.

Either way, Buggy still scaled to Luffy's Reverse Mountain feats so this thread is useless.

 

[Damage3245]

We literally see that Buggy was hit by the bomb. I don't know what you're trying to argue.

How is that a picture of Buggy being hit by the bomb?

Either way, Buggy still scaled to Luffy's Reverse Mountain feats so this thread is useless.

I don't care. Let's leave him scaling to Reverse Mountain Luffy if need be, but I want Buggy's profile updated.

 

[Kachon123]

I don't care. Let's leave him scaling to Reverse Mountain Luffy if need be, but I want Buggy's profile updated.

There is nothing to be updated.

 

[Damage3245]

There is nothing to be updated.

His justification would need to be updated.

 

[KingTempest]

"Took a punch from Luffy"

 

[Damage3245]

"Took a punch from Luffy"

Sure.

I'd be fine just changing his profile to that.

 

[Kachon123]

... So it's not a downgrade..?

 

[Damage3245]

... So it's not a downgrade..?

Not anymore.

 

[Kachon123]

Not anymore.

Huh. Okay then.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Since yall won't let me rest, won't let me retire in peace, and can't argue

Here's a good idea

Finish this CRT. All your problems will disappear. None of those issues will exist

Tempest is going through it right now lol

 

[Damage3245]

Tempest is going through it right now lol

I blame the people who ran to KT as soon as they saw a CRT with the word "downgrade" in the title. Leave the man alone.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I blame the people who ran to KT as soon as they saw a CRT with the word "downgrade" in the title

Poor Tempest...

 

[Kachon123]

I blame the people who ran to KT as soon as they saw a CRT with the word "downgrade" in the title. Leave the man alone.

No one ran to him. He was attracted by the atrocity which is this thread. It's like it was made by someone who doesn't know anything about what we've done with OP on this wiki.

Half joking btw.

 

[KingTempest]

Yeah yall was radiating "we need you" energy

 

[Kachon123]

Cap

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Yeah yall was radiating "we need you" energy

"Give me all of your energy!"

 

[LordGinSama]

I blame the people who ran to KT as soon as they saw a CRT with the word "downgrade" in the title. Leave the man alone.

Just drop the subject entirely. No need to cause indirect controversy.


Nobody alerted King, so that's a pretty big assumption for you to make.



Aside from that I agree that we should finish the current CRT Buggy and Co. King's gone, yes but that doesn't mean we can't argue for ourselves.