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Warning: This will only affect the DBS Movie Broly Incarnations of SSB Goku, Vegeta, and Ikari Broly, which would affect Base Gogeta to Blue Gogeta, Broly and Golden Freeza . This isn't more a CRT thread but rather a revision thread about the scaling chain that favours the above individuals to be > UIO 3rd Goku, or at least have the Ikari Level entities in UIO 3rd's Realm of Power.

Firstly, there is a description about Broly's power during the Initial Ikari Form [Meaning the first time his power is unleashed]:

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This would prove Broly is at least on UIO 2nd Level in his Initial Ikari State, as the only Saiyan who can be compared to him in raw power is effectively Kefla , who is UIO 2nd Level. Broly has had massive power amps between Initial Ikari and the Ikari we see. In-fact, we see him massively power up even more as he fights Goku, such as here:

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Considering the level of power-uups Broly gets and visually his most massive power up is the one shown in the pic, it proves that Initial IIkari Broly should likely be in the realm of UIO 3rd. This is prior to him fighting SSG Goku, heavily amping himself to the point he was fighting SSG Goku [Who was toying with him akin to Vegeta and like him wasn't going all out at first] to stomping SSG Goku, and then amping himself again. So you see what I'm getting at... Saying he is UIO 3rd Level along with the others is an easy lowball. Especially if you count the WoG statements about Broly being the strongest referring to even Ikari, which if this is considered makes a lot of sense.

Also... Many people believe Broly shouldn't scaling to SSB Gogeta ... I completely disagree. Look at this after Broly is hit by the Soul Punisher, which he tanks... Broly is able to hold his own even when Gogeta is at this point , even when sometimes it's clear he charged up , in other words... Gogeta is clearly getting serious as of this point but it's clear Broly and Gogeta were pretty even until Gogeta stopped playing around:

Broly vs Gogeta (Part 2)
Broly vs Gogeta (Part 3)
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So I propose the scaling chain goes like this: Initial Stages of Ikari Broly =/= UIO 3rd Son Goku (ToP) =/= SSG Goku (Broly Movie) = SSG Vegeta (Broly Movie) <<< Ikari Broly (Complete) >= SSB Goku (Broly Movie) <<< Golden Frieza (Broly Movie) <<< SSJ Broly <= SSJ Gogeta <<<< SSJ Full Power Broly [Pre-Soul Punisher] <<< Supressed SSB Gogeta =< Broly (Post Soul Punisher) << Gogeta (Serious) .

Basically if accepted this would bump up SSG Goku/Vegeta to Low 2-C via scaling equal to or above the Initial Stages of Ikari Broly, who is in the realm of UIO 3rd in Power. This affects the scaling from SSB Goku up to SSB Gogeta, as it took a Serious SSB Gogeta to beat Broly [In his finisher we see he exerts a lot of effort to end him, but even then Broly isn't dead or even knocked out of the form, proving he definitely still scales to SSB Gogeta as the hit shouldn't knocked him out of the form]
 
How did you came to the conclusion that SSG Goku in movie is comparable to UIO3? The gap between UIO2 and UIO3 was huge. Even SSB KKx20/SSBE was considerably more powerful than UIO2 for being able to fight toe to toe with Jiren.

Also FP SSJ Broly was about to die from SSB Gogeta's Kamehameha so I'm not sure if he should scale from him (he was also much slower). For instance characters like Limit Breaker Jiren and Toppo survived Goku's full powered Kamehameha. So they should scale from him
 
Saying Broly movie SSG Goku is stronger than UIO2 is ridiculous. Maybe SSB yeah but SSG is a bit of reach.
 
The "Hint of true power" Jiren scaling is kinda messed up. SSB Goku was able to fight him head to head but then Jiren takes on SSBKKx20 and SSBE at the same time without powering up.

I don't think Initial Ikari is at Kefla at all tbh.
 
"Have you ever seen a Saiyan like that before?"

That statement could mean anything, not necessarily regarding his strength. Also this isn't a direct comparison to a fusion.

I disagree with this.
 
Yes, this was the first time they faced such a saiyan that can learn and become strong so fast. Not to mention it was the first time they saw a Saiyan harnessing the Oozaru power in his normal form and without a tail.
 
Okay, here is a problem regarding to everything what you just, "Have you ever seen a Saiyan like this before?! This is no time to be playing around!" does not necessarily mean both Goku and Vegeta was complimenting Ik Broly's strength, they could simply mean to refer to his sudden growth rate instead.

LSSJ Broly was about to freaking die from a Kamehameha from SSJB Gogeta hadn't it been for Shenron to save him, so I don't see what part of Broly scaling to Gogeta you got there. Anyways, according to the Daizenshuu, while LSSJ multiplier is greater than MSSJ multiplier, it's still a lesser multiplier than SSJ2 multiplier. Base Gogeta is far above Ik Broly, so it makes no logical sense for LSSJ Broly to be above SSJ2 Gogeta, let alone comparable to SSJB Gogeta.
 
The movie doesn't play by DBZ rules. Considering the pressure the higher forms puts on the fusion, Gogeta won't go Blue without a freaking reason.

Broly is at least as stronger as SSG Gogeta.
 
If they were that close in power Broly would've just adapted, especially after Broly was powering up even further.
 
It won't be the first time Broly stopped "adapting". He couldn't catch up twice without actual power up beforehand.

This "You have to be millions of times stronger than Broly to beat him" is wank. Blue Goku and Ikari Broly were close in power yet Broly was losing.
 
Broly literally powered up by screaming his ass of and the fight between blue Gogeta and Broly was way too long for him not to adapt. The people who say Broly is ssg Gogeta level are the same people who think UI is a fusion level amp on top of blue.
 
He was tanking nearly everything Gogeta threw at him still.

>The people who say Broly is ssg Gogeta level are the same people who think UI is a fusion level amp on top of blue.

It's not far fetched
 
The main point of this thread seems to be rejected. Should we close this thread?
 
ZERO7772 said:
The movie doesn't play by DBZ rules. Considering the pressure the higher forms puts on the fusion, Gogeta won't go Blue without a freaking reason.
Broly is at least as stronger as SSG Gogeta.
I mean technically he would, Gogeta went Super Saiyan to beat Super Janemba, when base Gogeta was more than enough to beat him, same with Gogeta going Super Saiyan 4 against Omega Shenron. Gogeta is the type of character who enjoys toying with his opponent making the fight as one-sided as possible to end the fight quickly, not giving his opponent the chance to fight back.
 
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