GoddessOfWinterr- said:
This should not be a debate. I know Jiren ain't liked and broly is a fan favorite but this debate isn't even good. Im gunna explain why's
One, broly's Power level increase ain't limitless. Otherwise he wasn't about to just be killed by gogeta blue. Yes broly was getting washed and he had to be sent away.
2, Jiren is a way better hand to hand fighter. Broly is just a berserker, guess what happened to the last one?
3. Broly is a maybe stronger than Beerus when Jiren was hyped above a god of destruction at his super casual level. He made Beerus nervous by flexing his ki.
4. Stop giving post TOP scaling that don't exist in the way y'all think it does. It's post TOP. And? That is useless information considering we don't know how much they improved and they haven't fought anyone comparable to Jiren since then.
5. Why is gogeta blue hyped above Mastered ultra instinct? The only reason I'm seeing is, it's a strong fusion and it's post TOP. Then again look back at #4.
6. Ultra instinct is the most important thing in dragon ball. The gods were nervous at an incomplete one, it's a given when he used it the third time he was stronger than the gods of destruction. Mastered ultra instinct puts him quite a bit above them.
7. Ultra instinct is a power boost.
8. Jiren would probably go to just kill the guy. Before he even ever increased his power level to ridiculous levels. In the tournament of power he was limited. He had to guess how much power he needed to put someone out. Rather than just going all out and finishing then.
9. After all that, broly is a maybe stronger than Beerus. Jiren is a lot stronger than Beerus at full power, kinda makes you wonder why goku never said Jiren instead. It's simple. Jiren wipes the floor with broly.
10. Wanna know why UI wasn't in the movie? Because broly wouldn't touch the guy.
11. No broly ain't almost hit whis, whis is a major troll. He's is completely unworried.
12. Jiren wins without that limitless rage boost. I say when he went all out against UI is enough. When he said "I guess I must respond." That's how much power he would need for "full power broly." Thats being generous tho.
1:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtQA2PkU4AAEfx0.jpg
"He knows no limit! Broly's infinite power explodes!"
Broly has limits to how much he can rise in his forms, but SSJ Broly was still rising, he rose against Frieza, rose aganst SSJ Gogeta, and went up again against SSJB Gogeta, until Broly had shown his limit like he did in his rage form, his SSJ form just keeps going higher until he transforms and resets the limiter once again. Gogeta beat Broly before he can get stronger again, his power was just too much against Broly
2: Broly learns as he fights, he was fighting toe to toe with SSJ Gogeta fine and he is a combination of the best fighters, he was losing to Vegeta but learned as he fought and matched him in skill. Being a better fighter is meaningless against Broly who learns as he fights nearly instantly
3: 109 Jiren was retcon hard though when Omen Goku 3rd trigger is said to be in the state of the destroyers and he is giving FP Jiren a somewhat equal fight. FP Jiren is as strong as beerus if not above depending on how strong Omen Goku is. So Broly being probably stronger then Beerus places him above or equal to FP Jiren at least.
4: They are stronger, how much stronger is unknown
5: Because it shit stomped FP SSJ Broly who is => Beerus. MUI Goku at the start of episode 130 didn't even come close to doing something like that when Jiren is still holding his own against him. While Jiren was out classed, he still blocked and kept up with MUI, ven going punch to punch with him, SSJB Gogeta smacked Broly to where he couldn't block his hits cause his gaurd was getting broken, couldn't hit him, couldn't even go punch to punch with him cause he gets sent flying every time he tried.
Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku TOTALLY OVERPOWERS Jiren! (1) DBS 130 Full HD Eng Subs
6: Omen Goku was said to be in the state of the destroyers when Vegeta told him to step over it. Goku was Destroyer level in Omen form but unknown if he was Beerus level as some destroyers a greater then others.
Vegeta's speech to Belmod about Goku - English Subbed HD
7: Sure is, though nothing proves it's Base to SSJB level of power boosting since Base Gogeta is > SSJB Goku, nor nothing proves this feat wise, even Kefla SSJ2 kinda debunks the idea of MUI being close to Gogeta level
8: Jiren can try but he will fail. His best bet is his LB form, and if LB Jiren was = > MUI Goku before friendship boost and FP Jiren is still holding his own against MUI Goku at the start of episode 130 then Broly vs LB Jiren is going to be no different, in fact it's going to play out similar to SSJ Gogeta vs SSJ Broly or SSJ Vegeta vs Base Broly, Gogeta and Vegeta had their advantage but Broly caught up and overpowered them. Plus Gogeta didn't put Broly to his knees as he took many attacks from him, so if Gogeta couldn't do it until the Kamehameha, and Broly even took the stardust punisher, and even powered up against him then their is no way Jiren is going to kill Broly in time, that's just a complete reach.
9: Jiren in FP is debately above Beerus but not by much, his LB form is quite above Beerus. Broly FP SSJ is probably stronger then Beerus said by the novel, movie and Saiko Jump. So FP Jiren is either equal or weaker then Broly, LB is above Broly but not enough to win.
10: Head canon, Broly would have a hard time touching MUi but he learns as he fights, plus MUI wouldn't even come close to putting down Broly. Broly would just out last him.
12: That's so laughable, FP Jiren would give Broly a good fight until Broly powers up and makes even his LB power useless. As I said on top, 109 JIren was retcon hard, if you believe 109 Jiren is destroyer level then Goku is basically as strong as Beerus in his Kaioken form
