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Oddly enough though, Base Goku stands up in the Pretty Black Hole before he transforms
17 and 18 were still very much pinned down though so it wouldn’t apply to them
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Bringing back DBS Pretty Black Hole Legitimacy
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17 and 18 were still very much pinned down though so it wouldn’t apply to them
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No.
Their weight being focused on a single point to create said mass of gravity does not mean that the effects are focused on 1 point.
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Yeah, I disagree FRA.
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We really need to make the criterial list for what constitutes and doesn't constitute as a black hole on the Black Hole Feats page, similar to our light speed criteria.
Because being merely called black holes just isn't enough for them to be real black holes.
Because being merely called black holes just isn't enough for them to be real black holes.
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It may share some properties of a real black hole but it being heart shaped is an automatic disqualification.
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Uh...18's ki blast and the black hole being strong enough to prevent light escaping are 2 separate things,
Again, this has nothing to do with 18, it's gravity being strong enough to prevent light from escaping was stated after they slammed into on Goku and co, 18's blast cane before that
No, base Goku stood up, 17 and 18 couldn't so they're out in terms of overcoming the gravity, but not the crushing of the stage, so while Goku would apply to both the stage crushing and the gravity, the androids will only scale to the crushing so Goku, Vegeta and those who scale to Goku would apply for both
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For formula No. 2. I messaged @Psychomaster35 and he confirmed that FTL speeds can be used in escape velocity
Therefore, no need to lowball or assume, all we need is the attack speed of No. 18 on the site, and the gravitational force on Goku can be found. But in any case, I'll still use a low end using SOL to cover all bases, and I'll also use the first method as well
The third has already been attempted, but no comments were made
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Fairly sure that would be calc stacking.
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No, it couldn't escape the gravity of the pretty black hole, which means escape velocity of the PBH is higher than her speed
Escape velocity needed to escape PBH is the minimum speed needed to escape it's gravity
18s ki blast couldn't
Ergo PBH escape velocity>her ki blast
I need to know how fast her basic attacks are to know the value for the escape velocity to input, but I checked her profile, no value is given, she's just mftl+, so I'll be conservative and use the tier below, mftl, instead.
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You cannot use a calc'd speed and apply that to another calc.
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She doesn't have a specific calc,her rating comes from scaling via being faster than namek saga ssj Goku .
But on this calc stacking, I have a question, it's considered stacking even if there is a direct comparison between the two attacks?
Like if someone blitzes 18,the won't get an mftl rating via being faster than her? Because on her page, that's how she got her own mftl+ rating, by scaling to namek arc Goku
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They would get it via scaling, but you can't use the mftl for a calc.
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So the escape velocity scales.... but I can't use the said escape velocity in a calc? Odd
18 is mftl+, I actually went back to mftl and wanted to use the lowest value there just to be safe, but it I can't even use that, lol. I'll just stick to SOL being the escape velocity, since there's a direct statement on that
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Alright thanks
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This has been pretty solidly rejected.
Shall it be closed?
Or has the proposal moved on to something else?
Shall it be closed?
Or has the proposal moved on to something else?
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Well, there's the calc made by Clover. Wouldn't it be better to discuss who scales to what here?
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the purpose of the thread was to legitimize the pretty black hole as a lifting strength calc for Goku. The first premise was it being a normal black hole which was rejected, the second was to simply calculate the gravity which Goku overcame as well as the compression which Goku, 17 and 18 overcame, which are being made and should he discussed here
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You should make a blog first only after the calc gets aproved you can make a CRT about it
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I didnt knew it was already accepted since itv only happened today.
Anyways this still should be discussed in another CRT
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No, that was the calc based on destroying the floor not on the FTL/SoL he wanted to do
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That's what we discussed. He can't make the one with FTL.
The SoL one, on the other hand... Maybe.
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That was why i said to make a blog so it can be discussed.
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What SoL/FTL thing are you referring to? Because I'm confused. "Light being unable to escape" was used as support for it being a real black hole, but this was rejected as being a real black hole, so there's nothing to do with this
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That was a long time ago now some people here want to calc the gravity of the not black hole using SoL/FTL escape velocity
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Well at best you'd use SoL because using the fact that it can catch a Massively FTL+ attack is calc stacking
And to begin with, I have no idea how you could calculate that
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He wants the calc the lifting it would take to keep light trapped, I guess.
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Same
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Yes SOL is being used, and there's a mathematical formula that allows me do just this
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Shouldn’t you do 10x since Goku would be 10x heavier from top
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I forgot about this extra weight, I've added it, tho it won't change the value
When two forces positively act on the same body, the net effect is additive, not exponential. so I'll calculate the force he was experiencing with the extra gravity and then the one from the PBH and the add the two Newtons together father than multiply to get the net force
Goku's weight on earth is 600N, thus, due to the 10x, it would be 6000N.
The '10X' value is relative, Vegeta has 10x more gravity than earth, thus to get its weight for anything on earth, we multiply by an extra 10
If someone were to multiply Goku's weight by 10x what the pretty black hole did , then I would multiply that value by 10 to get the value. Unless ofcourse, we are told that two different gravity effects combined exponentially or something, then we can multiply.
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Iffy on using that calc when the premise is applying the laws of physics to a feat that breaks said laws.
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I confirmed that SOL and FTL speeds could be used as the escape velocity with a calc mode. I showed the formula, he said it could he used
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How the hell.....
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Well not a great help rn
But DB characters doesn't sees othe high speed characters through "eyes"
Rather they sense their kii/chi to see them
Saiyan saga:-
But DB characters doesn't sees othe high speed characters through "eyes"
Rather they sense their kii/chi to see them
Saiyan saga:-
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That specific formula works even with ftl speeds, it's not like the 1/2mv^2 KE formula that breaks down once you approach SOL
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It breaks E=mc², the same reason behind ½mc² to not be accepted as kinetic energy beyond soL.
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