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The black hole from what I remember was gradually destroying the universe but wouldn't that still only be multi-galaxy+ since the destruction of the universe was gradual and not a one shot.Davy0 said:A black hole, gradually destroying the universe.
Actually, he should be changed to Universe, without the "+".
Done.Davy0 said:A black hole, gradually destroying the universe.
Actually, he should be changed to Universe, without the "+".
MFTL+ is the biggest category on this site, from thousandx (10^3) FTL to planck level (10^45). So it's not good to look at speed that way. One MFTL+ would be statue compared to anotherKingPin0422 said:I checked, and SMG Bowser has speed on par with Beerus, with both being at MFTL+.Wbaez93 said:Bowser's speed?
You know you can explain your reasoning rather than just saying he wins.Hyperception said:Bowser
Oblivion00 said:You know you can explain your reasoning rather than just saying he wins.Hyperception said:Bowser
MFTL+ w/ the grand starOblivion00 said:Oh do go on. What is Bowser's exact speed?
Oblivion00 said:If the exact speed is not listed then why did you say Bowser has a sheer speed advantage since they are both MFTL+. That's why most people think Round 2 could go either way.
true, Beerus actual maximum could be MUCH stronger then what he's shown so farTISSG7Regrave said:I would still say Beerus due to sheer power and they are roughly equal in speed (but also Beerus's full power is ambigious so he wins but not stomp
There's also the fact that Bowser is only MFTL+(?) by using the Grand Star. Without it, he's likely a lot slower giving Beerus the chance to blitz him.DBZMLP12345 said:true, Beerus actual maximum could be MUCH stronger then what he's shown so farTISSG7Regrave said:I would still say Beerus due to sheer power and they are roughly equal in speed (but also Beerus's full power is ambigious so he wins but not stomp
Exactly what I was thinking. Like I said earlier there is no SHEER speed advantage and we haven't even seen Beerus fight at full power.Davy0 said:Uuuuuuhhhh you sure you want to go about doing that? Because Beerus and Whis have already traversed multiple galaxies in minutes of one another. And Mario's version was because of the properties of the Launch Star, so that's complete BS. He isn't traversing there himself.
Didn't he spit up the Grand Star? How can we even tell if it's the "engine" for his abilities if all he needs is for it to be smacked out of him. There's way too little information about what the Grand Star actually did other than made Bowser larger in size. Just from principle that he can "lose" the Grand Star power-up from a strong enough melee attack makes Bowser paste.CrossverseCrisis said:There's also the fact that Bowser is only MFTL+(?) by using the Grand Star. Without it, he's likely a lot slower giving Beerus the chance to blitz him.DBZMLP12345 said:true, Beerus actual maximum could be MUCH stronger then what he's shown so farTISSG7Regrave said:I would still say Beerus due to sheer power and they are roughly equal in speed (but also Beerus's full power is ambigious so he wins but not stomp
Though there is the chance of Bowser having some hax abilities. My only issue is how potent are they to put down Beerus.
NahOblivion00 said:Seeing how Beerus is likely 3-A now whilst Bowser is possibly 3-A I think Beerus is more likely to win this.
TrueOblivion00 said:Seeing how Beerus is likely 3-A now whilst Bowser is possibly 3-A I think Beerus is more likely to win this.
False.Oblivion00 said:Seeing how Beerus is likely 3-A now whilst Bowser is possibly 3-A I think Beerus is more likely to win this.
Got any proof to back that up?Hyperception said:False.Oblivion00 said:Seeing how Beerus is likely 3-A now whilst Bowser is possibly 3-A I think Beerus is more likely to win this.
Right thereHyperception said:Seriously though The Bows stomps.
Reality Warping,Spatial Manipulation,Gravity Manipulation,Warping time and space are more than hax enough to take down Beebus
Look on his profileUndylan said:When did he ever showned Reality Warping and Spatial Manipulation.
And get some real proof, Not statements from you.
That's still not proof.Hyperception said:Look on his profileUndylan said:When did he ever showned Reality Warping and Spatial Manipulation.
And get some real proof, Not statements from you.
Well iirc he died during the end of the universe so he doesn't have universal durability only was brought back during the resetUndylan said:That's still not proof.Hyperception said:Look on his profileUndylan said:When did he ever showned Reality Warping and Spatial Manipulation.
And get some real proof, Not statements from you.
Not all Proflies could be right since it doesn't show the feats i like to see becuase otherwise i bowser could turn into dust using matter manipulation unless you show me something like that in the game.
NoKingPin0422 said:Welp.
Should this be added to Beerus' victories?
Why not?Hyperception said:NoKingPin0422 said:Welp.
Should this be added to Beerus' victories?