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Shido has a AP advantage so he can literally one shot him. Though that dosen't really matter though since it really comes down to his hax really. Shido can Transmute, mind control, Blow away with wind and weather manip, or ice shield since those don't require him to summon anything
 
HyperNepsy said:
Shido has a AP advantage so he can literally one shot him. Though that dosen't really matter though since it really comes down to his hax really. Shido can Transmute, mind control, Blow away with wind and weather manip, or ice shield since those don't require him to summon anything
>Mind Control a Masada Character

Very Funny Old spanish man laughing hard flv
Very Funny Old spanish man laughing hard flv
 
AP advanatage means jack shit to Ren's Low-Godly, and I am pretty sure it beats Transumation as well, unless the transmutation can affect Ren's soul.


And Wind, Weather, and Ice Manipulation wouldn't kill nor incapacitate Ren in any way - unless they are very weird forms of those abilites. They would be mere hinderences, if even that.


Ren on the other hand has a guillotine in his arm with a 1-A level Death Curse which negates all forms of immortality and Regenerationn, not to mention Ren's Briah ability to manipulate time to increase his speed so he can kill with his guillotine.
 
HyperNepsy said:
Okay so maybe not mind control but everything else stands
Yeah but he need action to do all that. He would be decapacitated before he could even lift a finger.

Not to mention SBA means in character. The question is what does Shido lead with in character?

Causality also has explained how his power works. Ren go EFO and Marie yeets. I vote for Ren.
 
You voted Ren already

Shido would win if he used sealing due to the distance, but anything else he loses
 
Warren Valion said:
AP advanatage means jack shit to Ren's Low-Godly, and I am pretty sure it beats Transumation as well, unless the transmutation can affect Ren's soul.
Regenerationn does not counter transmutation
 
Uh Regenerationn dosen't counter Transmutation. Transmutation would still work. And with the distance he would have enough time to summon key (his summoning dosen't take that long. It just appears in his hand) and he points they key at Ren as hes dashing towards shido sealing Everything he can do.
 
Low godly regen absolutley counters transmutation

He can make a new body using his soul
 
No because you inhabit that body thus the other one dies.

Transmutation is useless anyway as it's not Shido's leading move so it's irrelevant whether it works or not.
 
Shido has no possible win condition here

By the time he can do literally anything, Ren will have killed him several times over because his speed boost is passive as opposed to Shido's active one. Shido does have winning moves, yes, but there is no point in which he will be able to use them unless both him and Ren are acting out of character.
 
Imma have to agree with Hl3, Shido technically has a win-con yes but it means nothing since Ren could have chopped his head off hundreds of times.

So ill say stomp.
 
The God Of Procrastination said:
It's not passive. I know that Marie's curse ignores immortality, but does it negate durability.
seems to be that way. in past thread involving ren, alrf once provided an excerpt that says a contact with the guilottine on the neck would reenact marie's curse of decapitation, thus ignoring durability

the excerpt in question was this

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No actually I said it cause of things he does have, Ren boosts himself to the point that Shido will be nothing short of motionless and cuts his head off, Shido could only win if he used one of his very few win-cons before that happens which I dont think he can/will.
 
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