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This thread will be to address our current calculation for the size of the Seireitei in Bleach.
The logic of the calculation is that it uses Yoruichi's statement from chapter 76 where she states it will take a 10-day walk to reach the next gate. This is then extrapolated into a 40 walking day's distance for the circumference of the Seireitei, giving a circumference of 3200 kilometers and a diameter of 1018.6 kilometers.
The reason why this type of calc has been used traditionally for Bleach is because the "art is inconsistent" so a purely statement-based method is favored in order to get a size for the Seireitei to use in other calculations.
But, I have to question about whether this notion is supported or not. In order to verify this, I've gathered a list of all the significant scans of the Seireitei's size from the manga.
Visuals
1) Chapter 84, Page 17
2) Chapter 84, Page 19
3) Chapter 546, Page 10
4) Chapter 576, Page 18
5) Chapter 608, Page 1
6) Chapter 614, Page 17
7) Chapter 615, Page 10
8) Chapter 621, Page 3
9) Chapter 654, Page 6
10) Chapter 684, Page 9
Now, there are certain to be discrepancies between these visuals. A couple of them come from much earlier in the series while most of these are from the last arc. Kubo, like all artists, isn't perfect. But what I think we can agree on is that even if these visual sizes of the Seireitei differ from each other slightly, all of them are consistently well, well below the calculated figure of 1018.6 kilometers in diameter.
The notion that these visuals are not 110% accurate with each other, so they should be abandoned entirely and we use a figure that is so astronomically higher than any other that it deserves to be called an outlier... is not a notion I am comfortable accepting.
Other Points
Less importantly, there is another case of something not lining up with the size for the Seireitei. If the accepted figure really was 1018.6 kilometers across, then that would mean that the dome covering the Seireitei extendeds hundreds of kilometers into the sky. Yet these Shinigami mistook Yhwach as being still outside of the Seireitei's dome while he hovered in the air above them and needed to be corrected that he's already inside of it. Mistaking him for being outside of it would make no sense if he had to be hundreds of kilometers away to be outside of it.
Towards the end of the war arc, Toshiro expresses concern about Gerard falling onto the Seireitei and annihilating it. Gerard at this point is not massively bigger than a skyscraper, and a skyscraper falling at terminal velocity is not going to be enough to annihilate an area with a diameter of a thousand kilometers. This is a more minor argument than the consistency of the visuals but I thought it was worth mentioning.
Conclusion
I don't think the visuals are so inconsistent as to warrant a statement-based calculation as our only alternative. We wouldn't do this for any other verse I think. The village of Konoha for example, we have even less visuals of the total diameter of Konoha but we still wouldn't accept a 1000 kilometer diameter for it using the same logic as Bleach's current calculation. (Only bringing this up as an example, not trying to deliberately involve other verses so let's not go down that road).
At the moment only a single calculation uses the currently accepted figure for the Seireitei's size and that is the calculation from Gremmy's meteor which is in the same calculation blog as the Seireitei's size. I think that we should remove both the size calc, and Gremmy's calc. At the moment Gremmy's ratings does not use his meteor as a justification for him, so we wouldn't need to update any profiles.
This thread will be to address our current calculation for the size of the Seireitei in Bleach.
The logic of the calculation is that it uses Yoruichi's statement from chapter 76 where she states it will take a 10-day walk to reach the next gate. This is then extrapolated into a 40 walking day's distance for the circumference of the Seireitei, giving a circumference of 3200 kilometers and a diameter of 1018.6 kilometers.
The reason why this type of calc has been used traditionally for Bleach is because the "art is inconsistent" so a purely statement-based method is favored in order to get a size for the Seireitei to use in other calculations.
But, I have to question about whether this notion is supported or not. In order to verify this, I've gathered a list of all the significant scans of the Seireitei's size from the manga.
Visuals
1) Chapter 84, Page 17
2) Chapter 84, Page 19
3) Chapter 546, Page 10
4) Chapter 576, Page 18
5) Chapter 608, Page 1
6) Chapter 614, Page 17
7) Chapter 615, Page 10
8) Chapter 621, Page 3
9) Chapter 654, Page 6
10) Chapter 684, Page 9
Now, there are certain to be discrepancies between these visuals. A couple of them come from much earlier in the series while most of these are from the last arc. Kubo, like all artists, isn't perfect. But what I think we can agree on is that even if these visual sizes of the Seireitei differ from each other slightly, all of them are consistently well, well below the calculated figure of 1018.6 kilometers in diameter.
The notion that these visuals are not 110% accurate with each other, so they should be abandoned entirely and we use a figure that is so astronomically higher than any other that it deserves to be called an outlier... is not a notion I am comfortable accepting.
Other Points
Less importantly, there is another case of something not lining up with the size for the Seireitei. If the accepted figure really was 1018.6 kilometers across, then that would mean that the dome covering the Seireitei extendeds hundreds of kilometers into the sky. Yet these Shinigami mistook Yhwach as being still outside of the Seireitei's dome while he hovered in the air above them and needed to be corrected that he's already inside of it. Mistaking him for being outside of it would make no sense if he had to be hundreds of kilometers away to be outside of it.
Towards the end of the war arc, Toshiro expresses concern about Gerard falling onto the Seireitei and annihilating it. Gerard at this point is not massively bigger than a skyscraper, and a skyscraper falling at terminal velocity is not going to be enough to annihilate an area with a diameter of a thousand kilometers. This is a more minor argument than the consistency of the visuals but I thought it was worth mentioning.
Conclusion
I don't think the visuals are so inconsistent as to warrant a statement-based calculation as our only alternative. We wouldn't do this for any other verse I think. The village of Konoha for example, we have even less visuals of the total diameter of Konoha but we still wouldn't accept a 1000 kilometer diameter for it using the same logic as Bleach's current calculation. (Only bringing this up as an example, not trying to deliberately involve other verses so let's not go down that road).
At the moment only a single calculation uses the currently accepted figure for the Seireitei's size and that is the calculation from Gremmy's meteor which is in the same calculation blog as the Seireitei's size. I think that we should remove both the size calc, and Gremmy's calc. At the moment Gremmy's ratings does not use his meteor as a justification for him, so we wouldn't need to update any profiles.
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