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And Ichigo. And Gin. And possibly Tousen in the anime.
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Bleach Revisions
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Wonderwaiss made Yama bleed and gave him a lot of exfoliations, but if they decide not to scale him, that's fine with me.
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If Cien has a statement being compared to VL Ichigo and another statement being compared to 0 Espada Yammy then I see no reason why Yammy wouldn't scale to or above SE Ulquiorra. Yammy did survive a Getsuga from an Ichigo at half strength when that same Ichigo was able to damage Aizen, and Aizen > all the Espada. Using the Ichigo said his Hollow Mask felt heavy/weird isn't a valid counter either, because he was afraid of using his Hollow powers all the way up until he had to face Tensa/White in the Dangai. IMO the fact that Yammy survived a Getsuga from an Ichigo who was at half strength when that same Ichigo at full strength is comparable to Aizen seems to be evidence enough supported by the 4-5 claims of Yammy being the strongest Espada. Kenpachi and Byakuya no diffing Yammy isn't a valid counter either as Kenpachi has been removing his limiters with each fight he's been in and Byakuya did some training between SS arc and when he fought Yammy. Yammy's pesquisa is trash but saying he couldn't detect SE Ulquiorra would be like saying I can't see the Sun on a clear day without my glasses.
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didn't Ichigo at the same chapter stated that yammy is on another level than the other Espada
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Oh?
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Can somebody quote the statement of Cien being compared to Ichigo? I just reread through both parts of the novel and the only thing I found was Uryu being reminded of VL Ichigo vs Ulquiorra whilst watching Cien vs Kenpachi.
And anyway, this wouldn't even apply to Yammy since a Base 30% Cien is > Released Yammy and this Cien is like 100% and Released.
And anyway, this wouldn't even apply to Yammy since a Base 30% Cien is > Released Yammy and this Cien is like 100% and Released.
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If Ishida is comparing Kenpachi and 100% released Cien to VL Ichigo vs SE Ulquiorra and 30% base Cien > Yammy, then that sounds like SE Ulquiorra > the rest of the Espada.
SE Ulquiorra being the strongest can make sense too since Aizen wanted to cultivate Ichigo to become the ultimate opponent. So honestly either conclusion feels like it can make sense given our info since you can realistically explain both.
SE Ulquiorra being the strongest can make sense too since Aizen wanted to cultivate Ichigo to become the ultimate opponent. So honestly either conclusion feels like it can make sense given our info since you can realistically explain both.
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Ishida compared Cien 70% with VL Ichigo and not 100%.
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Quote right there "the strongest Espada with the number #0."
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We're past that already, though I will say, you don't need to know of R2's existence to sense it's power, Mayuri stated Yammy is the strongest and Mayuri was in Las Noches whilst R2 Ulquiorra and Full Hollow Ichigo were fighting, would you say both Mayuri and Yammy couldn't sense it?
Regardless, what about my point above? We have a comparison between 70% Cien and less than 50% Full Hollow Ichigo and we also have a statement saying Res Yammy is just below 30% Cien, through that we should be able to find the difference between Full Hollow Ichigo and Yammy and give Yammy a rating accordingly.
Regardless, what about my point above? We have a comparison between 70% Cien and less than 50% Full Hollow Ichigo and we also have a statement saying Res Yammy is just below 30% Cien, through that we should be able to find the difference between Full Hollow Ichigo and Yammy and give Yammy a rating accordingly.
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Considering Mayuri have no words about it or Byakuya or Zaraki (Zaraki is on Yammy level in terns of sensing smt btw), You says either Kubo forgot or they did sense it but well Las Noches is pretty big so they probably did not sense the full extent of his power. Yammy did sense it but as we have established by now, Yammy like to utter nonsense from his mouth.
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Also, SS Ichigo was able to sense Chad's Reiatsu even though SS is rated as much bigger than Las Noches here and Chad was dying so his Reiatsu was extremely weak and Ichigo at this point had some of the worst sensing in the series.
There's no argument to say Mayuri wouldn't have been able to sense R2 Ulquiorra, just weak excuses to try and have something denied.
There's no argument to say Mayuri wouldn't have been able to sense R2 Ulquiorra, just weak excuses to try and have something denied.
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I'm not talking about Yammy sensing it, I'm talking about Mayuri sensing it.
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What scan? Post it again.
Yammy's antifeats are losing to Byakuya and Kenpachi, a Kenpachi that gets vastly stronger on a whim and was earlier slicing through Nnoitra who has the hardest Hierro
Even Aizen was cautious of Kenpachi and hence trapped him in Hueco Mundo until he had evolved, so yeah, not much of an antifeat.
Yammy's antifeats are losing to Byakuya and Kenpachi, a Kenpachi that gets vastly stronger on a whim and was earlier slicing through Nnoitra who has the hardest Hierro
Even Aizen was cautious of Kenpachi and hence trapped him in Hueco Mundo until he had evolved, so yeah, not much of an antifeat.
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Cmon, did I need to explain everything, points is sensing won't always mean you know the full extent, that and Kubo forgot is an option due to you know much of a disappointment Yammy was.
Another thing is, Zaraki did not scale to Aizen at all, not even close. Again did you missed my post where I bring up some scan or something?
Another thing is, Zaraki did not scale to Aizen at all, not even close. Again did you missed my post where I bring up some scan or something?
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So your argument basically comes down to
"Kubo might have forgotten"
Do I really need to explain why that's a weak argument? You're giving zero evidence and are moreso basing your arguments on biased opinions of characters.
It's literally stated that Aizen prepared for Yamamoto by creating Wonderwiess and he prepared for Kenpachi by trapping him in Hueco Mundo until he had evolved and obtained an immortal body.
"Kubo might have forgotten"
Do I really need to explain why that's a weak argument? You're giving zero evidence and are moreso basing your arguments on biased opinions of characters.
It's literally stated that Aizen prepared for Yamamoto by creating Wonderwiess and he prepared for Kenpachi by trapping him in Hueco Mundo until he had evolved and obtained an immortal body.
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Your scan is Royd Lloyd fodderzing Kenpachi like that means anything.
Royd Lloyd would have fodderized Base Aizen all the same, and your part about him blocking Yama's attack doesn't work considering Shikai Yama never fought Aizen and even Aizen himself states he would lose to Shikai Yama.
Royd Lloyd would have fodderized Base Aizen all the same, and your part about him blocking Yama's attack doesn't work considering Shikai Yama never fought Aizen and even Aizen himself states he would lose to Shikai Yama.
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Yama can tank his shikai, did you forget this? he is unaffected by his flames attack and survive from its most powerfull attack
Same Yama who can be wounded by 1 slast from Aizen who also tanked his high level kido, Aizen scale below but hes around his level.
Same Yama who can be wounded by 1 slast from Aizen who also tanked his high level kido, Aizen scale below but hes around his level.
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Yamamoto let Aizen stab him so he could counter KS
All that would mean is that Yamamoto's Shikai > Itto Kaso, which isn't that hard to believe given that it's the strongest Zanpakuto and the fact that Aizen was almost unharmed from it yet he felt the need to seal Yama's Shikai.
All that would mean is that Yamamoto's Shikai > Itto Kaso, which isn't that hard to believe given that it's the strongest Zanpakuto and the fact that Aizen was almost unharmed from it yet he felt the need to seal Yama's Shikai.
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Does anyone have the scan of Kenpachi comparing CFYOW Grimmjow to Nnoitora?
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He was comparing casual Grimmjow to full power Nnoitra
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But do you have it as a scan?
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@Makstar05; I don't see why we would assume such a thing if it wasn't shown.
The only ones shown to have sensed Ulquiorra's power were Orihime and Uryu and that was when they were moving closer towards the canopy.
It's also worth noting that nobody else even sensed the battle above the canopy until Ichigo blew a hole through it and Ulquiorra was almost half-dead.
The only ones shown to have sensed Ulquiorra's power were Orihime and Uryu and that was when they were moving closer towards the canopy.
It's also worth noting that nobody else even sensed the battle above the canopy until Ichigo blew a hole through it and Ulquiorra was almost half-dead.
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Anyway, since the part about Yammy scaling above R2 Ulquiorra was rejected, we should move on.
Though I do once again want to bring up this
Though I do once again want to bring up this
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The quotes from those guys are about their Hierro and Sonído respectively which are not contradicted, backed up by the data books and currently accepted. People besides Yammy claiming to be the strongest are not backed up by feats, their ranks or the data book like Yammy’s is.
If Aizen knows about SE, why is it not reflected in Ulq’s rank like Yammy? He has no issue making note of it if they change rank so why?
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