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This is soul manipulation. the soul is being used as the method of attack.
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(Bleach) reiatsu crush gg no more?
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Arc, out of respect for the soul in Bleach to have a physical body to bleed and such?
For example, they may eat and even become hungry, sometimes sweat, and bleed.
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It's one part of it, as the pressure affects souls. But the pressure in itself is a byproduct of having insane amounts of energy.
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Yeah no let's just ignore that with enough Reiatsu Shinigami can shake all three realms.
Or how Reiatsu is used to stabilize the realms.
Or how with higher RC you can physically pin someone down.
Or that Ichigo's Getsuga literally is Reiatsu and has physical effects but yeah we'll ignore that too.
Oh well I guess Bleach characters can't interact with things physically anymore and everything they do is just intangible soul manipulation.
Or how Reiatsu is used to stabilize the realms.
Or how with higher RC you can physically pin someone down.
Or that Ichigo's Getsuga literally is Reiatsu and has physical effects but yeah we'll ignore that too.
Oh well I guess Bleach characters can't interact with things physically anymore and everything they do is just intangible soul manipulation.
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Isn't that just powerful souls
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1) RC works on humans so you’re wrong 2) paralysis inducement does not need to be shown paralyzing a normal human for it to be paralysis inducement, by your logic characters who use higher D causality hax on “non-souls” wouldn’t be able to affect souls with that hax because it’s not shown affecting souls, it’s a ludicrous argument unfounded by any logic.
Hell as Gin said, Shutara’s passive reiatsu is able to shake the world of the living, a physical plane. So yes reiatsu crush which is simply your exerted reiatsu can affect the physical via direct feats and showings.
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This is inconsequential, and also is explained in verse. Souls in bleach are composed of "spiritual matter". Their blood, food and all is made from this
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RC has a ton of other abilities. The Soul Manipulation aspect is just one of the many abilities. Simply resisting the Soul Manipulation doesn't mean you resist:
A. The actual AP of the pressure
B. The Fear Manipulation aspect
C. The Paralysis Inducement aspect
D. Any other effect RC has
This thread seems to have been made just to downgrade Bleach so that your vs match can continue going on, without properly researching the topic at all.
A. The actual AP of the pressure
B. The Fear Manipulation aspect
C. The Paralysis Inducement aspect
D. Any other effect RC has
This thread seems to have been made just to downgrade Bleach so that your vs match can continue going on, without properly researching the topic at all.
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RC is the same shit you use for attacks. It's just released passively. I'm gonna be perfectly succinct with you Neco, you were told this how many times so you obviously know at this point. Currently your only doing this out of ulterior motives to either
1: Waste our time here despite this being explained to you dozens of times.
2: Acting out of a bias for Shiki which is pretty obvious at this point.
There's like you know also the fact that people can blow up and cause explosions if said Reiatsu isn't released.
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I agree with this argument
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I only saw the first twenty episodes of Bleach, but have read into the reiatsu stuff so forgive my ignorance, but doesn't literally everything in the Bleach world have spiritual properties in it, including inanimate objects? Isn't that the reason why reiatsu is able to physically work on them? If it was placed in a different verse that didnt have spiritual properties, wouldn't it not have the same effect?
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What about things that are not spiritual matter?
Im not talking about in verse. Yes, eevrything in bleach is connected to the soul. The problem is why should that extend outside the verse when the soul works very differently?
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This is basically my question.
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Tbh I'd be perfectly fine if this was made by a user who's actually curious how Bleach mechanics work.
Buuut that clearly isn't the case here, the OP knows how it works, its in the profiles and the verse page and it's been explained dozens of times to them at this point.
I don't like using the term bias often but the OP has shown some incredible bias / agendas here.
Buuut that clearly isn't the case here, the OP knows how it works, its in the profiles and the verse page and it's been explained dozens of times to them at this point.
I don't like using the term bias often but the OP has shown some incredible bias / agendas here.
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Neco, listen to us when we speak, reiatsu has shown the ability to affect the PHYSICAL. For example, Shutara’s REIATSU is able to affect the PHYSICAL world (world of the living). Therefore, simple logic tells us that REIATSU works on PHYSICAL things.
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This is because of the mechanics of the verse. where everything has a soul. The problem is extending those mechanics into a vs match where things do not apply that way.
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No. Only Fullbringers (sometimes Quincy.) can manipulate the souls of inanimate objects. Shinigami can not.
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For the same reason Genjutsu can affect people without a chakra system, or soul manip affecting real world animals.
Verse Equalization
In this case, Reiatsu is shown to affect the physical. That's enough to allow this in general.
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No it's not lol. Only FB's and some Quincy via Absorbtion are able to interact with those souls.
Irrelevant since Shinigami and most of the verse can't interact with the souls of inanimate objects.
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I also find it quite interesting to note
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What Lephyr and Gin said.
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the systems have to be compatible in someway, otherwise the equalization makes no sense. If you fully use verse equalization, you'd have to amp shikis stats up to 4 dimensional levels.
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Soooo your saying she shook the realms via soul manipulation of inanimate objects....? You know the thing she quiet specifically cannot interact with due to not being a Fullbringer?
Shutra is a Shinigami, not a Fullbringer.
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No you wouldn’t. Verse equalization does not boost your stats whatsoever. All verse equalization does it put the characters in a neutral environment where they can both use their abilities.
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Oh I thought this thread has nothing to do with Shiki huh? Hmmmm
so you intentionally made this thread because you simply want Shiki to win?Gotcha ya, because that's totally not an ulterior motivation at alllll.
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Fullbringers can draw out the souls of objects. Doesnt mean the shinigami cant break physical metter, just that full bringers have more profiency.
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Oh well I guess Bleach characters can't interact with things physically anymore and everything they do is just intangible soul manipulation.
Anyway i agree with Gin
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It is compatible. Reiatsu is pressure born from high amounts of energy. That's it, at the end of the day.
Shiki simply doesn't have the energy required to withstand the reiatsu. It is as simple as that. They can withstand their soul getting trashed, not their physical body. It is what it is.
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Brother you just contradicted yourself.
"Reiatsu can't effect physical matter."
4 mins later.
"This doesn't mean Shinigami can't break physical matter."
Pick one and stop changing your argument. Also no, soul manipulation of inanimate objects is strictly and inherently a unique ability for Fullbringers. Shinigami cannot do what Fullbringers can in any capacity.
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they are utterly incompatible, at the end of the day, reiatsu is just pressurized soul eenergy.
Soul
The SoulWP (魂, Tamashii?) is a record that acts as the blueprint of the body.[1] Composed of spirit particles or Spiritrons, the soul is the second element,[2] one of the three essential Elements that compose a human,[3] alongside Mind (精神, Seishin?) and Body (肉体, Nikutai?).[4][5] It is...
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i will link the wiki page, as skimming through heavens feel would take too much time
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Better nerf to lower dimensional, except when they use soul manipulation.Yeah no let's just ignore that with enough Reiatsu Shinigami can shake all three realms.
Or how Reiatsu is used to stabilize the realms.
Or how with higher RC you can physically pin someone down.
Or that Ichigo's Getsuga literally is Reiatsu and has physical effects but yeah we'll ignore that too.
Oh well I guess Bleach characters can't interact with things physically anymore and everything they do is just intangible soul manipulation.
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Disagree with OP fra
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brother really thinks that Fullbringers and Shinigami have the same hax. (You really claimed that the difference is mastery, buddy?)
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they are utterly incompatible, at the end of the day, reiatsu is just pressurized soul eenergy.
Soul
The SoulWP (魂, Tamashii?) is a record that acts as the blueprint of the body.[1] Composed of spirit particles or Spiritrons, the soul is the second element,[2] one of the three essential Elements that compose a human,[3] alongside Mind (精神, Seishin?) and Body (肉体, Nikutai?).[4][5] It is...
i will link the wiki page, as skimming through heavens feel would take too much time
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Cool doesn't mean that Shiki can survive 4-A force being applied to her with 6-C durability.they are utterly incompatible, at the end of the day, reiatsu is just pressurized soul eenergy.
Soul
The SoulWP (魂, Tamashii?) is a record that acts as the blueprint of the body.[1] Composed of spirit particles or Spiritrons, the soul is the second element,[2] one of the three essential Elements that compose a human,[3] alongside Mind (精神, Seishin?) and Body (肉体, Nikutai?).[4][5] It is...
i will link the wiki page, as skimming through heavens feel would take too much time
For the 12th thousand time, she can resist her soul from being crushed but not her body. Souls in the nasuverse could be 1-A but that doesn't stop their bodies from being crushed by AP that's millions of times above their durability.
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Cool, Nasu characters can resist the soul manip if their layers are high enough. Having high soul manip resistance layers doesn’t mean resist every other hax Neco. Furthermore, your own premise doesn’t agree with you. Your premise is that Bleach characters can only affect souls with their hax, but you agree Nasu characters have souls, thus Bleach characters could affect them regardless. Having high soul manip resistance as a soul doesn’t enable you to resist say Zaraki’s paralysis inducement anyway.they are utterly incompatible, at the end of the day, reiatsu is just pressurized soul eenergy.
Soul
The SoulWP (魂, Tamashii?) is a record that acts as the blueprint of the body.[1] Composed of spirit particles or Spiritrons, the soul is the second element,[2] one of the three essential Elements that compose a human,[3] alongside Mind (精神, Seishin?) and Body (肉体, Nikutai?).[4][5] It is...
i will link the wiki page, as skimming through heavens feel would take too much time
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Also for the record the very fact that the OP made this, not because of having an actual argument against RC but the fact that they made it to try to save face for a separate vs battle thread sounds like it'd be RVR worthy to me.
Especially since this isn't his first issue with the Nasuverse. The OP was previously banned from Nasu discussions, and had it extended 3 separate times for similar reasons.
Do with that as you will.
Especially since this isn't his first issue with the Nasuverse. The OP was previously banned from Nasu discussions, and had it extended 3 separate times for similar reasons.
Do with that as you will.
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But yeah, I am tempted to close this at this point.
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Thank you for providing an actual answer instead of saying something sarcastic or vague as opposed to other people on the thread.
That being said, that seems like poor reasoning. I understand equalizing speed for matches, but equalizing how energy work in a certain setting in a specific way... Eh...
That being said, that seems like poor reasoning. I understand equalizing speed for matches, but equalizing how energy work in a certain setting in a specific way... Eh...
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