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no? its literally the same my friend, just because it didn't reflect in 4 angles doesn't mean that it didn't reflect
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Bleach- PTS Speed Downgrade
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My issue is more its in the same arc, with the timing not being too far a part. I would agree somewhat if the two were say.. soul society arc and war arc. something like that
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They are different colored beams from different sources. Of course they look different
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Reflects, check
Called light, check
Goes on a straight line, check
Burns instead of exploding, check
Also:
"Lasers/light beams are only accepted as real if they meet, at a minimum, a few of these criteria"
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there are more than 100 chapters between the 2 occasions, u know that right?
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This diagram will serve as a basis for my point. We agree zabimaru isnt flat, correct? In the case of the star its called diffusion. light exposed to a rigid surface. The issue is the star doesnt follow that. The star seemingly expands out flat style then fades. keep in mind both times it used, the beam is several meters. It should look more like jugram's example.
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That's an argument from incredulity
Not to mention this renji is not the same as the one that got stomped
This renji went and trained on the soul kings palace by squad 0 and has no anti-feats
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toaa, as stated by damage and akm, as well as other admins ive seen on the site, those are just non anti feats. it has to be 2 of the primary five conditions
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And we already have 2
Reflects and is called light
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i dont think you guys understood this part. Im referring to kubo's depiction of what reflection is and the time frame. nothing else
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We are debating the first point, reflection
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Renji has his sword out and beam is sent away according to Mask. This meets the standards of reflection with a metallic weapon.
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No, they prove it “could” be light
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This ***** getting ridiculous.
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small Segway. Something got brought up and being flooded with responses might have made me miss this. Why would renji moving make his blade "clank", if that is before the "swoosh" as Arc said
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Ask an admin regarding that. In this very crt that been stated as wrong more than thrice by admins
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We’re really debating ******* sound effects right now lmao.
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Is literaly on the page
Also 1 admin and they are not god nor perfect as all humans they can be wrong too.
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are you going to derail again
referring to silent bob
referring to silent bob
Arcker123
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literally when, also i am quoting the page here. No offense to anyone but what is on the page>word of admin
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"Please note that the opposite of these criteria do not prove a beam is at lightspeed, merely that it could be, should it meet the first list of criteria. "
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Referring to earlier posts by akm and damage
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And that is what he said
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The word of 2 mods does not change requirement pages
For that they need a thread to change those requirements
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"3"..
Huh
only 2 are on the table
It meets one, and the other is being debated
Anyway
I have to dip for a bit, got to babysit
Huh
only 2 are on the table
It meets one, and the other is being debated
Anyway
I have to dip for a bit, got to babysit
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Furthermore, there are a few criteria which show a beam is NOT real light:
It is shown at different speeds in the same material
It is tangible and can be interacted with physically by normal humans
They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above)
success has none of these
It is shown at different speeds in the same material
It is tangible and can be interacted with physically by normal humans
They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above)
success has none of these
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ill be back in like 2 hours
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have a good day
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That means it lacks those anti feats.
lacking anti feats doesnt mean light speed
be back later
lacking anti feats doesnt mean light speed
be back later
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The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or...
The beam reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror
The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources
It is stated to be made of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source
It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera
has 3 of these criteria
The beam reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror
The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources
It is stated to be made of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source
It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera
has 3 of these criteria
Arcker123
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It being the opposite is quote "Please note that the opposite of these criteria do not prove a beam is at lightspeed, merely that it could be, should it meet the first list of criteria". We are using these as support feats
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ALL MATTER creates curvature in space-time. The thing is that it generally requires a lot of mass-energy in one place for that curvature to be noticeable or significant. Gravitational lensing is used in astronomy because of how massive celestial bodies are, from stars to black holes to galaxies.
Just applying E=MC^2 tells all one needs to know about why your specific argument can't work. The curvature caused by 9x10^16 Joules worth of light concentrated in a certain volume is the same as 1 kg of matter within the same volume; 1 ton = 9 x 10^19 Joules; 1000 Tons = 9 x 10^22 Joules, and so on.
Not to mention that any curvature of space-time caused by mass-energy in real life follows the Speed of Causality. If you were to suddenly remove the Sun from the centre of the Solar System, it'd still take 8 minutes for Earth to stop moving along its orbital path and start moving in a straight line. In other words, any curvature of space-time that "persists" even though the energy causing it has already been scattered to the wind i.e. there is no continual source of energy keeping the space warped, is purely for "rule of cool's" sake, thus unquantifiable.
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Then there is the fact that no Cero in Bleach has never behaved in any way like natural light. Cero and other spiritual energy-based attacks almost always physically clash with one another in the common Beam-O-War scenario, whereas natural light beams would just pass through each other unimpeded.
Ceros and other reiryoku-based attacks, like Getsuga Tenshou and Quincy reishi arrows, are consistently shown to have a tangible mass to them. They can be physically halted and stopped; they can be redirected by hand; they can be "shattered" and dissipated. The exact opposite of "intangible", as you've tried to claim before.
