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Bleach- PTS Speed Downgrade

What?
Again Photons have mass. provide a source they dont

Lasers can move at light speed
Laser smashes light-speed record – Physics World
Light is composed of photons, which have no mass, so therefore light has no mass and can't weigh anything. ... But because of Einstein's theory (and the fact that lightbehaves like it has mass, in that it's subject to gravity), we can say that mass and energy exist together.

Therefore @Cyberblader90 entire argument about Bleach Reishi / Light having mass and therefore not light was debunked by himself.
 
I don't see anywhere on this thread where you have established it is not a reflection. The only thing you said was the light wasn't supposed to reflect this certain way because Zabimaru has a smooth surface which was already argued against. If you have please link it to me. It being different is it being reflected. You saying that Mask's beams expand needs proof of it doing the same. No where even in his previous attacks has it been shown to expand

It does


How is the rays from the sun inherently different from the light generated from any other star in the universe?
I brought the example of the Sun to prove that just cause heat was absorbed and smoke was present doesn't mean all the light rays were absorbed by Renji's sword. Solar panels are perfect comparison for that especially when they are exclusively made to absorb heat from light and still can only absorb 60-70% of it. The rest reflect off of it. In Renji's case some of the photons energy was converted into heat and the rest was reflected off. As simple as that. You claiming that since we see smoke and heat was generated that no light should be reflected off his sword is null.
You can act like ignoring the multiple citations i have provided

The beam doesnt act like diffusion reflection. At all
the sound further provides issues

The suns rays arent hot enough to vaporize a human, not on earth. The beam is concentrated. For it to cause that smoke in the spot mean the metal absorbed enough heat to cause smoke.

If you want to argue against concentration, that opens up: why isnt the air literally burning
 
How many qualities of light via the wiki's standards does this attack have?
 
That’s what is being debated right now.
So far, what has been agreed on and what is being argued on (other than it has mass).

  • The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or...
  • The beam reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror
  • The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources
  • It is stated to be made of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source
  • It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera
Aren't Zanpakutou supernatural? They wouldn't count.
 
So far, what has been agreed on and what is being argued on (other than it has mass).

  • The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or...
  • The beam reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror
  • The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources
  • It is stated to be made of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source
  • It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera
Aren't Zanpakutou supernatural? They wouldn't count.
They reflect light. That was already discussed in the original CRT.
 
No, the argument is that light doesnt have enough mass to cause impacts
This is a new one. ☝️

Trying to understand the physics of spiritrons is about as fruitful as attempting to observe tachyons. Even if they have mass, their effects are in opposition to expected particle behavior so it doesn't really matter.

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This is a new one. ☝️

Trying to understand the physics of spiritrons is about as fruitful as attempting to observe tachyons. Even if they have mass, their effects are in opposition to expected particle behavior so it doesn't really matter.

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HUH

Why are we assuming these behave anything like photons
 
they are physical metal, again this was discussed in the original thread
I never said it wasn't physical metal.

It has been enhanced by a supernatural source, which could give it properties that regular metal doesn't have.
One of those properties? Being able to cut Shinigami and Arrancar.
 
I never said it wasn't physical metal.

It has been enhanced by a supernatural source, which could give it properties that regular metal doesn't have.
One of those properties? Being able to cut Shinigami and Arrancar.
all of this was on the OG CTR already, tempest.

the only "enhanced" thing they got are the hax, also everything (arrancar, ghost etc.) are just made of different matter
 
except they arent called photons. his beam is called light. As is the arrows and ceros.

The latter two contradict light standards

and they are all made from reishi
 
The bigger issue:

You are essentially arguing reishi light has unique physics

so why then are we assuming its light speed?
 
except they arent called photons. his beam is called light. As is the arrows and ceros.

The latter two contradict light standards

and they are all made from reishi
Reishi means spiritual matter/spiritual particles/spiritrons.

A contradiction is an error on the Author’s part. Overweighted by all other feats, statements and lore.

The single fact that Reishi Light > Real Light remains on top and will always be.
 
Reishi means spiritual matter/spiritual particles/spiritrons.

A contradiction is an error on the Author’s part. Overweighted by all other feats, statements and lore.

The single fact that Reishi Light > Real Light remains on top and will always be.
Can you provide me with any piece of lore saying they are light speed.
I will concede if you can find any actual statement like that, because then we have a one piece situation.

No, consistent contradictions viloate this site's standards for light
 
All attacks made from Reishi are not the same, this is possibly the biggest false equivalency you’ve made so far.
Cero’s are spiritual light according to the databook. Reishi arrows are “arrows of light” or “rays of light” and obviously spiritual too. There is no difference. Even Shinigami can use Reishi, Uryu said Hollows used it too in Hueco Mundo.
 
All attacks made from Reishi are not the same, this is possibly the biggest false equivalency you’ve made so far.
again not my point.

apple's current argument is reishi has the aspects of photons

Im providing contradictions to that claim
 
Can you provide me with any piece of lore saying they are light speed.
I will concede if you can find any actual statement like that, because then we have a one piece situation.

No, consistent contradictions viloate this site's standards for light
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^^ Souls, Hollows, and Reishi existed before Our universe was created, by splitting the Reishi world into two different ones. Why do you think all matter in the Bleachverse has a soul? Chairs, tables, and even telephone poles have a soul. What is a soul made off? Reishi.

Reishi World > Kishi World
 
no for spiritual matter

Does the matter change so much that it suddenly becomes light speed?

Ive also provided examples for quincy arrows exploding/having force

if you want to get technical, all of mask's other moves explode, and they use spiritual matter as well
 
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^^ Souls, Hollows, and Reishi existed before Our universe was created, by splitting the Reishi world into two different ones. Why do you think all matter in the Bleachverse has a soul? Chairs, tables, and even telephone poles have a soul. What is a soul made off? Reishi.

Reishi World > Kishi World
Thats not what I asked for

That means reishi predates the current universe.

That doesnt make it faster than light
 
no for spiritual matter

Does the matter change so much that it suddenly becomes light speed?

Ive also provided examples for quincy arrows exploding/having force

if you want to get technical, all of mask's other moves explode, and they use spiritual matter as well
You are claiming that real light became so different from Reishi light that the speed changed? I wonder how are you going to prove that theory.
 
between you and apple the argument is confusing

is it" all reishi is ftl", even though that is contradicted

or is it "this one move is LS"
 
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