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Bleach Bankai General Discussion Thread 21

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its in the novel basicly its AP/DC is always the strongest in the bleach verse so her lightning would auto scale above everyone else .. i think the quote was "her lightning surpasses every other in this realm"
 
"Moving at lightning-speeds", hmm??? Sounds rather familiar. Guess we should scale Omnitsukido members to SS Bankai Ichigo, shouldn't we ovo?

More seriously, out of practice Yoruichi blitzed a dozen of them and did manage to outrun Byakuya pretty easily so its oddly consistent.
 
Don't know if this would be a decent feat for Chad, but he makes a pretty big explosion here. The trees look incredibly small in comparison so that could be used to find height.

https://www.**********.com/bleach/261/17

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The thickness of the wall can be seen in the scan with Nnoitra, pulverization should be used probably. There's vapour but if vapour isn't enough for Yama to get vaporization then it shouldn't be for Chad.
 
Amlad22 said:
The thickness of the wall can be seen in the scan with Nnoitra, pulverization should be used probably. There's vapour but if vapour isn't enough for Yama to get vaporization then it shouldn't be for Chad.
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Hm, that quite weird, considering that in this scan the wall is much more thick than in the one with Nnoitra:

https://i.imgur.com/uqlZefY.png?1
 
I'd say the thicker one as its more consistent. There are multiple scans of Chad putting holes in walls that, when looked at as a whole, are far thicker than its portrayed in the Nnoitra scan.

As for vapor or not, definitely no. The hole was caused by La Muerte which has nothing to support vaporization.
 
Shouldn't Ichigo have space-time manipulation resistance listed in his profile?


Aizen stated he was able to stomp the kototsu because of his reiatsu level which is like Renji level compared to Ichigo
 
When did he says that? And having a higher reiatsu is not necessary to destroy Kototsu since BoS Orihime can do it when at that time nobody in SS can. That and Gin says you can't fight Kototsu just by using reiatsu.
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
Aizen has the best Reiatsu in the series. Ichigo has more Reiryoku, but his Reiatsu is not like Aizen's.
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I checked the RAWs, it's his reiatsu (Ú£èÕ£º) what is greater than Aizen's. Reiatsu is just reiryoku in use, it's what powers all their skills and what is picked up by their reikaku. Sousuke states himself that a battle between spiritual beings is based on reiatsu when he negated Soi Fong's shikai.

Ichigo is just choosing to not reiatsu crush people unlike Aizen.
 
Hasch said:
I checked the RAWs, it's his reiatsu (Ú£èÕ£º) what is greater than Aizen's. Reiatsu is just reiryoku in use, it's what powers all their skills and what is picked up by their reikaku. Sousuke states himself that a battle between spiritual beings is based on reiatsu when he negated Soi Fong's shikai.

Ichigo is just choosing to not reiatsu crush people unlike Aizen.
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What are you talking about RAWs? Deicide raws? It's never stated that Ichigo has superior Reiatsu, only that Aizen can't feel his Reiatsu. That's not a product of Reiatsu but of Reiryoku.

However, we're blatantly told Aizen has superior Reiatsu in the final arc when Aizen is a war threat due to his Reiatsu unlike Ichigo.
 
Reiryoku is the amount of energy/spiritual power a character haves and Reiatsu is the physical form of said Reiryoku. There's that.
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
What are you talking about RAWs? Deicide raws? It's never stated that Ichigo has superior Reiatsu, only that Aizen can't feel his Reiatsu. That's not a product of Reiatsu but of Reiryoku.

However, we're blatantly told Aizen has superior Reiatsu in the final arc when Aizen is a war threat due to his Reiatsu unlike Ichigo.
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Isn't this stated, you know, before Ichigo got a massive power up in the form of awakening his true potential?

I am pretty sure that True Full-Power Ichigo has greater Reiatsu and Reiryoku than everyone in the series barring Prime Soul King.
 
It's only stated that to feel the Reiatsu you must be on a similar level which Aizen reiterates, but that level is Reiryoku amount.

Ichigo doesn't have statements like Aizen in regards to his statement and just because you have a lot of Reiryoku doesn't mean you have high Reiatsu, look at the Quincy with little Reiatsu but Reiryoku to fight Captains.
 
  • It's only stated that to feel the Reiatsu you must be on a similar level which Aizen reiterates, but that level is Reiryoku amount.
  • Ichigo doesn't have statements like Aizen in regards to his statement and just because you have a lot of Reiryoku doesn't mean you have high Reiatsu, look at the Quincy with little Reiatsu but Reiryoku to fight Captains.
Can you provide a source that says that a character's Reiryoku (spiritual energy) is different from their Reiatsu (spiritual pressure)? The series only states that reiatsu is the name for the "force" or physical manifestation of that Reiryoku.
 
  • Isn't this stated, you know, before Ichigo got a massive power up in the form of awakening his true potential?
  • I am pretty sure that True Full-Power Ichigo has greater Reiatsu and Reiryoku than everyone in the series barring Prime Soul King.

EoS Ichigo has the most power at the end of the manga, and in the light novels it is stated that the powers that Yhwach took from Ichigo and the Quincy all returned to their owners except for their Holy Forms.

EoS Ichigo should be x2 as strong as when he fought Soul King Yhwach because the powers Yhwach took from Ichigo were return to Ichigo by Tsukishima and Orihime shenanigans. Tsukishima and Orihime mess up with time by creating a parallel past where Yhwach never took those powers in the first place.

By the fault Ichigo never lost that power in Tsukishima's Book of the End past which Orihime use her Causality Manipulation to bring said "event" to the present. Later, Ichigo got his stolen powers back.
 
Every single Quincy is my source. They have high Reiryoku yet their Reiatsu isn't notable.

Yhwach and Ichigo are Quincies too who's reiatsu are notable and as shown everyone can choose to make their reiatsu notable. Quincy mix their reiryoku with reishi to fire arrows. Nanano has never shwon signs of reiatsu but that doesn't mean she doesn't have reiatsu.

Until you provide evidence instead of interpretation I canno take you seriously.
 
Large Island Level+ I believe, scaling to Luppi and Grimmjow. But he'll be Country Level soon due to other calcs.
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
Ichigo doesn't have statements like Aizen in regards to his statement and just because you have a lot of Reiryoku doesn't mean you have high Reiatsu, look at the Quincy with little Reiatsu but Reiryoku to fight Captains.
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But again, those statements were made before Ichigo had a massive power boost - back when he had his Fullbring outfit that got stomped by Jugram.

At that point in time - Aizen did have the superior Reiatsu, but Ichigo grew to be massively stronger throughout the arc.

Taking early-level arc statement and applying them to end-level arc characters despite a power boost taking place seems facetious.
 
The War Potentials were listed by Yhwach who knew about Ichigo's powers (even FGT) and that Ichigo would power-up again.

Yhwach still holds Aizen above Ichigo in regards to Reiatsu. Again, there is literally nothing going for Ichigo having better Reiatsu. Aizen can even use his Reiatsu to suppress abilities which Ichigo can not do (ie Ichigo vs Askin).

So no, Ichigo has more Reiryoku, but his Reiatsu is not equal to Aizen,
 
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