Blazblue AP Revision

[Schnee_One]

I really see no reason for it not to be straight up 5A, the feat itself is literally Low 5B but calced with atomization in mind

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

I really see no reason for it not to be straight up 5A, the feat itself is literally Low 5B but calced with atomization in mind

Atomization is also used for our recalc, but it also takes into account inverse square law.

 

[Schnee_One]

Then it being Low 5B is immediately invalid. Thus Possibly Low 5B or solidly Low 5B is debunked unless the calc itself is wrong.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Then it being Low 5B is immediately invalid. Thus Possibly Low 5B or solidly Low 5B is debunked unless the calc itself is wrong.

Which nobody seems to have issues with. The only problems being brought up are context from the black beast.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

The Black Beast is like the kyübi, if it comes out then everyone dies, its destructive capability doesn't matter

 

[Theglassman12]

That's not remotely an excuse to disregard its feats. By that logic that's like saying Broly just kills everyone, and we shouldn't take anything he does in terms of actual feats into account, despite him having some very blatant feats in his movie.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

That's not remotely an excuse to disregard its feats. By that logic that's like saying Broly just kills everyone, and we shouldn't take anything he does in terms of actual feats into account, despite him having some very blatant feats in his movie.

wut

 

[Theglassman12]

Talking to Hagane.

 

[Antvasima]

So how should we solve this? Is my suggested compromise solution fine, in lack of better options?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

This is kinda random but shouldn't characters who are classified as artificial humans be considered homunculi?

 

[Antvasima]

How so? Are they classified as such within BlazBlue itself?

 

[Theglassman12]

No they shouldn't. There's literally no instances whatsoever of them being referred to as a Holunculi.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I was only saying since isn't the general definition of homunculus artificial human?

And also I made my comparision of the Bleast Beast to the kyuubi since at the beginning of Naruto it didn't have any specific feats, just that "it'll destroy everything if comes out of Naruto period!" And the Black Beast is kinda the same in regards that it doesn't have anything specific on how powerful it is, just that "it'll destroy the world if Ragna doesn't keep the Azure Grimoire under control period!"

Just saying ┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬»

 

[Theglassman12]

Again we never have any confirmation of any of the man made humans being called Homunculi.

Except we do have proof on how strong it is. Two instances of it destroying the planet. Writing the Black Beast's feats off as some mindless monster that kills everything is beyond asinine.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

I'd like to keep this conversation specifically to Low 5-B vs 5-A, please.

 

[Antvasima]

Theglassman12 is probably correct about avoiding the homunculi designation.

Also, should we go with a compromise or some other solution?

 

[Theglassman12]

Like I said at this point i don't care which version is accepted

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, and the rest of you?

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

This is entirely based on what method you use for the calcing. It's been established quite well at this point that 5-A is the way to go.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. We should probably apply that then.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Along with the High 7-C, right?

 

[Theglassman12]

Do you see any opposition to High 7-C at all throughout this entire thread? If not, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that yes that includes High 7-C and 9-A

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Nope, no opposition. I'll be willing to make the changes if given the clear

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Feel free to handle this then. However, make sure to update the tier categories at the bottoms of the pages if necessary, and to follow the Common Editing Mistakes instructions.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I'll at least handle the lower tiers first

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Theglassman12]

Got everything done with High 7-C and 5-A. All that's left is the 9-A stuff, but I'll leave that to Shiro since he's the most knowledgeable on Xblaze that I know of.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[Rocker1189]

So I am late as hell to this and the changes have already been applied, but could no one think that maybe, just maybe the distance between the planet and the moon for Blazblue is diffrent?

We are actually going against the stated literal joules given for a feat? This is not flash light speed level statement. This is about a world were things can be exceedingly different to ours, things like the moon distance being closer leading to the result being lower is very possible. I really dont think that we should ignore a statement of the power a character has to push a fancalc above it.

But maybe that is just me.

 

[Theglassman12]

Blazblue takes place on earth. They blatantly reference countries based off of real earth like Japan back in the Dark War, so it's safe to assume that Blazblue's moon and Earth distance is the same as how it is on Earth.

 

[Rocker1189]

Yeah it does but the world in itself has changed quite a lot before then, with multiple timeline resets and other stuff. I just thinking that directly ignoring a statement of power to do an inverse square calc btw (imo one of the most inaccurate and inflated calcs) just does not feel right. Do we even know what the explosion would look like?

 

[Theglassman12]

aside from it being not a normal explosion, and it having either atomization destruction or quantic destruction based off the statements, we don't have any onscreen showings of how it would look.

 

[Rocker1189]

thats kinda also my point.

 

[DMUA]

So you want to suggest the entire cosmology is radically different to the point of bending the universe to this one calculation

as opposed to just the authors not doing their math right

 

[Rocker1189]

I mean that was one point but the other is we dont even know how the attack happened, we are using inverse squared law based on literally nothing. We have no visuals or description on how it works. And finally again inversely squared calcs imo can lead to inflation of results.

 

[DMUA]

It is very specifically an omnidirectional blast with a specified level of damage that reaches to an object we have a known distance for. Every number is in place for it.

 

[Antvasima]

DMUA seems to make sense.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

I think this can be closed. Everything's been applied, I think.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Are the rest of you fine with this?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Just to comment, it take place on a Earth with physically impossible to exist mountains